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Post by viking22 on Oct 4, 2024 19:07:13 GMT
I don't think recruitment is the problem going forward. INEOS did a pretty decent job in their first window and I am sure they will do so in future transfer windows. And they are also stocking up on talented teenagers who will break through in a few years time.
And it is getting harder to say the playing squad is shit because most of the legacy players have gone now and most of our first team have now only ever played for us under Erik. And even legacy players like Bruno and Rashford you can say they were a lot better under Ole and were important members of a team that achieved consecutive top 4 finishes. And really how many teams can field top class players in every position every game of the season? It probably says a lot about the manager that players seem to be far less interchangeable for us and things go to pieces every time we have a few injuries or a few players are out of form.
What we need is an experienced and competent managers who can steady the ship and keep us competitive while INEOS slowly improve the playing squad and get used to the challenges of a club of our size. Of the realistic candidates on the market that probably means Tuchel, Allegri and Inzaghi. Tuchel I'd probably avoid as he reportedly doesn't want to work under a structure and is a bit volatile and would probably blow up after a few years. Inzaghi doesn't speak English by all accounts. So that gets you to Allegri who has been working on his English for a few years now as he was eyeing up a move to the Premier League which never materialized.
Allegri for 3 years or so and I think we'd be in much better shape. Then we can try a young modern progressive manager.
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Post by kingkobbie on Oct 4, 2024 20:51:09 GMT
Arteta is the guy who has won 1 FA cup in last 5 years or so. Might as well as bring Ole back if thats the case, he took us to 3rd in the league , then a 2nd , a Europa league final and the football when it clicked was brilliant. Apparently all people care about is having a style of football and playing good football. People pining for Arteta, Emery, Slot, Chelsea manager (I can't even remember his name). Guys who have achieved nothing. |
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Post by Kojak on Oct 4, 2024 21:22:28 GMT
Good point, Ole’s not a psychopathic Lego-headed freak doing the bidding of the Mysterons for a start. Not bothered with that honestly, his team plays the best football in the league. He clearly is a much better manager than Ole, despite being a massive baby. His personality has no bearing on his managerial ability though, you’re right. Don’t think their football is the best though. Especially not this season, it’s been very functional. Ironically might end up getting them over the line this year. |
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Post by Kamilo on Oct 5, 2024 0:53:48 GMT
Sick of social media statements from players. Make a statement on the pitch for once bunch of soft cunts.
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Post by redcase on Oct 5, 2024 6:09:11 GMT
Not bothered with that honestly, his team plays the best football in the league. He clearly is a much better manager than Ole, despite being a massive baby. His personality has no bearing on his managerial ability though, you’re right. Don’t think their football is the best though. Especially not this season, it’s been very functional. Ironically might end up getting them over the line this year. They’ve scored I think the second most number of goals behind city last year? Their defence is also probably the best in the league imo. To me this shows they’re able to impose their way on their opponents, and they can adapt their game to counter the opposition - as and when required. |
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Post by viking22 on Oct 5, 2024 9:39:29 GMT
Erik isn't the only manager out there who has won trophies. I agree that we should ideally be looking for big club experience and a trophy record in our next manager rather than "Best of British" (Howe, Potter, Southgate) or some kind of leftfield appointment. But even with those requirements there should be at least a few good options interested and available in the summer.
Ever since the Carabao Cup win our league form on Erik has been on a downward trajectory and his record in Europe for us has been absolutely shocking. And we will take a big financial hit if we don't qualify for Europe next season and get knocked out of the Europa League before the knockout stages. So keeping him on just because he might win one of the domestic cups doesn't make much sense to me.
It is pretty clear that the players have no idea what Erik wants from them and we are a disorganized mess on the pitch and have been for a long time.
Ruud is very well qualified for the caretaker manager role and a back-to-basics role with a charismatic guy like Ruud could be just what we need to salvage something from this season. And that will buy us time to make a considered choice over who to lead us forward from next season.
That makes much more sense to me than frantically interviewing potential replacements over the international break or giving Erik rolling arbitrary two game deadlines.
The players surely know by now that Erik is skating on thin ice and it must be unsettling them. They don't hate the guy and haven't downed tools. But they clearly don't love him enough to give 110% to save his job. And when it is quite obvious that the ownership and the media are questioning his suitability for the job it is only natural that the players will start doing the same.
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Post by Kojak on Oct 5, 2024 9:40:21 GMT
He clearly is a much better manager than Ole, despite being a massive baby. His personality has no bearing on his managerial ability though, you’re right. Don’t think their football is the best though. Especially not this season, it’s been very functional. Ironically might end up getting them over the line this year. They’ve scored I think the second most number of goals behind city last year? Their defence is also probably the best in the league imo. To me this shows they’re able to impose their way on their opponents, and they can adapt their game to counter the opposition - as and when required. Not saying they’re not good, I just don’t think it’s been the best to watch. City scored the most goals and they’re boring as fuck. Best football aesthetically over the last decade has been Liverpool, unfortunately. Swashbuckling, high-intensity, great wingers. Their defence is the best in the league, I’d agree with that. Just don’t think they’ve got many attacking players that excite me really. |
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Post by johnboy14 on Oct 5, 2024 11:16:56 GMT
They’ve scored I think the second most number of goals behind city last year? Their defence is also probably the best in the league imo. To me this shows they’re able to impose their way on their opponents, and they can adapt their game to counter the opposition - as and when required. Not saying they’re not good, I just don’t think it’s been the best to watch. City scored the most goals and they’re boring as fuck. Best football aesthetically over the last decade has been Liverpool, unfortunately. Swashbuckling, high-intensity, great wingers. Their defence is the best in the league, I’d agree with that. Just don’t think they’ve got many attacking players that excite me really. City bore me to tears but how much of that is down to them being 2 or 3 levels above everyone else? |
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Post by Kojak on Oct 5, 2024 11:38:12 GMT
Not saying they’re not good, I just don’t think it’s been the best to watch. City scored the most goals and they’re boring as fuck. Best football aesthetically over the last decade has been Liverpool, unfortunately. Swashbuckling, high-intensity, great wingers. Their defence is the best in the league, I’d agree with that. Just don’t think they’ve got many attacking players that excite me really. City bore me to tears but how much of that is down to them being 2 or 3 levels above everyone else? I’ve just never liked that brand of football. When Barca did it they had an x-factor in Messi who was capable of astonishing things outside of that template. City are more like that Spanish international side that kept winning everything. I just find it monotonous. When I think back to the 90’s, United played swashbuckling football with great wide players. Everything was fast. Newcastle under Keegan another example. That’s more what I was raised on, which is why as awful as it is, I thought Liverpool under Klopp played the best stuff. |
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Post by johnboy14 on Oct 5, 2024 13:25:53 GMT
City bore me to tears but how much of that is down to them being 2 or 3 levels above everyone else? I’ve just never liked that brand of football. When Barca did it they had an x-factor in Messi who was capable of astonishing things outside of that template. City are more like that Spanish international side that kept winning everything. I just find it monotonous. When I think back to the 90’s, United played swashbuckling football with great wide players. Everything was fast. Newcastle under Keegan another example. That’s more what I was raised on, which is why as awful as it is, I thought Liverpool under Klopp played the best stuff. They had xavi and Iniesta to boot. I think this brand of football has nutered an entire generation of players. |
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Post by king nothing on Oct 5, 2024 13:29:48 GMT
City bore me to tears but how much of that is down to them being 2 or 3 levels above everyone else? I’ve just never liked that brand of football. When Barca did it they had an x-factor in Messi who was capable of astonishing things outside of that template. City are more like that Spanish international side that kept winning everything. I just find it monotonous. When I think back to the 90’s, United played swashbuckling football with great wide players. Everything was fast. Newcastle under Keegan another example. That’s more what I was raised on, which is why as awful as it is, I thought Liverpool under Klopp played the best stuff. Keegan's Newcastle was fucking nuts! He got them promotion in his first season and challenging for the prem in his second if my memory is working?! That 96 season was absolutely epic. Maybe looking through rose tinted glasses a little! |
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Post by Stretty on Oct 5, 2024 14:04:28 GMT
I’ve just never liked that brand of football. When Barca did it they had an x-factor in Messi who was capable of astonishing things outside of that template. City are more like that Spanish international side that kept winning everything. I just find it monotonous. When I think back to the 90’s, United played swashbuckling football with great wide players. Everything was fast. Newcastle under Keegan another example. That’s more what I was raised on, which is why as awful as it is, I thought Liverpool under Klopp played the best stuff. No that was probably the premier leagues best era. Never like to see the scouse win but around that time they beat Newcastle 4-3 twice over a couple of seasons. classic games. |
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Post by Kojak on Oct 5, 2024 14:55:03 GMT
I’ve just never liked that brand of football. When Barca did it they had an x-factor in Messi who was capable of astonishing things outside of that template. City are more like that Spanish international side that kept winning everything. I just find it monotonous. When I think back to the 90’s, United played swashbuckling football with great wide players. Everything was fast. Newcastle under Keegan another example. That’s more what I was raised on, which is why as awful as it is, I thought Liverpool under Klopp played the best stuff. They had xavi and Iniesta to boot. I think this brand of football has nutered an entire generation of players. If you look at someone like Jack Grealish. Regardless of what anyone thinks of him in terms of quality, prior to going to City he was a player that got the ball and wanted to beat people. His performances for England were the same. His playing style now is unrecognisable. I just think a lot of football now is joyless in general. We’re a long way from players like Jay-Jay Okocha in the Premier League. |
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Post by king nothing on Oct 5, 2024 15:50:00 GMT
Keegan's Newcastle was fucking nuts! He got them promotion in his first season and challenging for the prem in his second if my memory is working?! That 96 season was absolutely epic. Maybe looking through rose tinted glasses a little! No that was probably the premier leagues best era. Never like to see the scouse win but around that time they beat Newcastle 4-3 twice over a couple of seasons. classic games. Yeah, I remember listening to one of those games on a night shift. Think it was a cup game. Real end to end stuff! Football has definitely become too sanitised now. Mind you, the same can be said of a lot sport. VAR in particular. Has it really improved the game and on field decisions? Not as much as the higher ups were probably hoping. Personally, I have a big dislike for it. Having to wait for a VAR check after a goal has tarnished the game IMO. It probably wouldn't be so bad if the FA were using it correctly. Bruno's sending off last week springs to mind. Then again, I'm just an old cunt who prefers how the game used to be 😂 one ref, two linos and get on with it. |
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Post by Stretty on Oct 5, 2024 16:41:39 GMT
No that was probably the premier leagues best era. Never like to see the scouse win but around that time they beat Newcastle 4-3 twice over a couple of seasons. classic games. Yeah, I remember listening to one of those games on a night shift. Think it was a cup game. Real end to end stuff! Football has definitely become too sanitised now. Mind you, the same can be said of a lot sport. VAR in particular. Has it really improved the game and on field decisions? Not as much as the higher ups were probably hoping. Personally, I have a big dislike for it. Having to wait for a VAR check after a goal has tarnished the game IMO. It probably wouldn't be so bad if the FA were using it correctly. Bruno's sending off last week springs to mind. Then again, I'm just an old cunt who prefers how the game used to be 😂 one ref, two linos and get on with it. same here(I’m from the standing in the stretford end or Utd road era). i don’t like var at all but if it’s what the younger generation wants then so be it and as you say football is just too sanitised now(that’s why I don’t watch much of it these days). |
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