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Post by seanie on Oct 27, 2024 16:34:32 GMT
Can’t understand blaming Oliver. We should be able to put this lot away. Don’t let the penalty detract from the fact that ten Hag is clueless. He isn't clueless as a coach, but they let him lead the recruitment for three years and that's where he has hung himself! The same as the last 4 coaches before him rinse and repeat! |
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Post by redcase on Oct 27, 2024 16:35:41 GMT
Can’t understand blaming Oliver. We should be able to put this lot away. Don’t let the penalty detract from the fact that ten Hag is clueless. He isn't clueless as a coach, but they let him lead the recruitment for three years and that's where he has hung himself! The same as the last 4 coaches before him rinse and repeat! Ten Hag is absolutely fucking clueless as a coach. |
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Post by seanie on Oct 27, 2024 16:38:20 GMT
He isn't clueless as a coach, but they let him lead the recruitment for three years and that's where he has hung himself! The same as the last 4 coaches before him rinse and repeat! Ten Hag is absolutely fucking clueless as a coach. Yeah whatever |
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Post by redcase on Oct 27, 2024 16:44:50 GMT
Ten Hag is absolutely fucking clueless as a coach. Yeah whatever We are fucking 14th in the league 5 points above the relegation zone with a -3 goal difference. You are stone cold fucking deluded if you think this man is worth his arse as a coach. |
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Post by Tatty on Oct 27, 2024 17:00:59 GMT
As much as Ten Hag needs to go now, you can’t legislate for the profligate finishing we see week upon week. That’s on the players.
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Post by bushy1987 on Oct 27, 2024 17:03:36 GMT
Our players are generally wank, the amount of chances today city or the Scouse blitz five past these, most of them just are not of the required top top level quality and we see that week in week out, go through the squad none get in citys starting 11 and none probably get in arsenal or Liverpool either.
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Post by DedRevil on Oct 27, 2024 17:11:39 GMT
As much as Ten Hag needs to go now, you can’t legislate for the profligate finishing we see week upon week. That’s on the players. You can. It's literally his job, it's not a one off like you said so he should look to fix it |
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Post by Stretty on Oct 27, 2024 17:19:54 GMT
As much as Ten Hag needs to go now, you can’t legislate for the profligate finishing we see week upon week. That’s on the players. Today is one of those games(missed chances,poor decision against us).We had them under Fergie and other teams have them but we have to look at the whole package in general. you don’t hire or fire a manager on the odd game or even the odd month but when you are shit for 18 months it’s on the manager and he's the one that falls on his sword. he has to be sacked tomorrow. |
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Post by DedRevil on Oct 27, 2024 17:22:10 GMT
As much as Ten Hag needs to go now, you can’t legislate for the profligate finishing we see week upon week. That’s on the players. Today is one of those games(missed chances,poor decision against us).We had them under Fergie and other teams have them but we have to look at the whole package in general. you don’t hire or fire a manager on the odd game or even the odd month but when you are shit for 18 months it’s on the manager and he's the one that falls on his sword. he has to be sacked tomorrow. West Ham/Andy Cole, that was a one off. Today was the fucking usual |
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Post by Karma on Oct 27, 2024 17:36:16 GMT
As much as Ten Hag needs to go now, you can’t legislate for the profligate finishing we see week upon week. That’s on the players. Today is one of those games(missed chances,poor decision against us).We had them under Fergie and other teams have them but we have to look at the whole package in general. you don’t hire or fire a manager on the odd game or even the odd month but when you are shit for 18 months it’s on the manager and he's the one that falls on his sword. he has to be sacked tomorrow. Tonight . |
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Post by Carbon on Oct 27, 2024 17:47:28 GMT
As much as Ten Hag needs to go now, you can’t legislate for the profligate finishing we see week upon week. That’s on the players.
You can, I thought we had coaches to help with training but apparently they do nothing all day.
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Post by redcase on Oct 27, 2024 17:48:55 GMT
As much as Ten Hag needs to go now, you can’t legislate for the profligate finishing we see week upon week. That’s on the players. Sorry not having this excuse lumped in for a guy who played a fucking right back as a NUMBER 10 a few days ago. Coaching is his job. Either he’s good enough to get the players to do what he asks, or the players don’t know what he’s asking, or his training methods are shit. Down to him. |
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Post by viking22 on Oct 27, 2024 18:07:40 GMT
Of course he is saying he's the victim of injustice. So I suppose this loss doesn't count as well as the Tottenham loss.
He's failing as a coach. It is his job to motivate the players. It is his job to instil a winning mentality and boost their confidence. But all he seems to do is give long tactical lectures which seem to go in one ear and come out the other and teach the players that it doesn't matter if you drop points because you can always blame injuries or refereeing decisions.
And the sad thing is the players haven't even properly downed tools. They downed tools for Jose and we were still sitting in 6th place when he was sacked. They downed tools for Ole and Ralf and we still finished 6th that season. Of course that season we had Ronaldo who Erik was in a hurry to get rid of. But Hojlund could also score a lot of goals if Erik set the team up to feed him the way Jose did with Lukaku.
We are a very limited squad (but even then Erik was mostly responsible for assembling it) but lots of clubs have the same problem and we have seen time and time again in football a good manager can get the most out of a limited squad by playing to their strengths. Erik is still trying to play a style of football that our players struggle to understand that leaves us far too exposed and vulnerable in transition and requires a cutting edge we simply do not have.
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Post by bushy1987 on Oct 27, 2024 18:15:13 GMT
We needed goals and we spent close to 40m on zirkzee who scored about 11 goals last season and before that we went and spent 70 on rasmus who again had hardly been banging them in,I think rasmus will come good but if he will ever be prolific is another question he does miss a fair amount of chances the likes of haaland kane ect would easily put away, we can't win games if we are not clinical enough.
We spent all summer after ugarte, fair enough it took him a little while to get upto the level and he still isn't quite there yet, but he was very good midweek and then gets dropped makes no sense what so ever, the job is too big for him he's won two trophies so buzzing about that but we will have another season of no champions league next season and will keep falling further behind the pack, honestly we are that far behind city could get relegated to the conference and they would win the prem before we did again.
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Post by viking22 on Oct 27, 2024 18:23:12 GMT
Yeah what pisses me off about Erik is that he flexed his muscle early on getting rid of Ronaldo but never managed to properly replace his goals.
He thought he could get by with Rashford and Martial completely ignoring their track record that showed neither were consistent goal scorers.
Then he blew £85m on Antony when we should have been spending big on a striker instead.
Hojlund was a good signing and in the calendar year we'd signed him had started to score regularly but the Premier League is a big step up and I think it will be a few seasons before he becomes a consistent 20-30 goal a season striker (and even then probably only under another manager).
And this summer we should really have been signing an experienced proven goal scorer instead of Zirzkee to ease the load on Hojlund's shoulders. Especially as Rashford had shown last season that he cannot be relied upon to score goals.
So you can't really give Erik a free pass that results are bad because we aren't scoring goals. We've had that problem every since Ronaldo left and he hasn't properly addressed it.
It is also worrying that Bruno isn't scoring as many although again that is partly on Erik because he's playing him in a deeper role where he has to do a lot more donkey work when really we need him as a number 10 so he can score goals.
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