Next sacrificial lamb to the slaughter.

[Karma]

And we’re off…

[Chris]

Despite how shit we are, I think the next person should feel positive about the role. New "ownership" model, new training ground incoming, stadium development and whoever can turn this around will automatically become a legend. Quite positive as well that since the announcement of Erik leaving, more names have appeared on the betting list with better names odds being shortened. I don't think that there are many brilliant managers out there. Even the names on City's list aren't amazing. Liverpool got Slot in who has got off to a great start and you'd like to think that there is someone out there who can turn the tide.

Not totally convinced on Xavi, but wouldn't say no. Amorim is the favourite for the City job. Don't know much about him, but he's well thought of, Nagelsmann would be a tough one which I can't see happening. No chance of Zidane. Terzic another well thought of but big odds on him now.

Big no no's to Southgate, Potter, McKenna and Carrick.

Imagine if it was Klopp. The meltdown would be amazing.

[viking22]

I think Xavi would tick a lot of boxes.

-He's had experience managing a big club and won a few trophies already
-He's had experience working with an unbalanced squad in transition and will have learnt from the experience
-His illustrious playing career will give him some pulling power and help him win over the dressing room. He will have also learnt a lot from all the coaches that managed him at Barcelona.
-He's immediately available and we wouldn't have to pay any compensation
-He believes in possession based football which is probably where we want to be going as it will give us more control over games and is less chaotic than Erik's transition based style

He is relatively inexperienced but I think that is an advantage. It means he will be OK with INEOS calling the shots which someone like Tuchel wasn't prepared to do. It means he is flexible enough that he can adapt to the players and to INEOS rather than being wedded to a particular philosophy or style. He also doesn't have the arrogance or stubbornness that contributed to Erik's failure with us. But he's also idealistic enough that he won't just give up the way Erik did when he decided quickly we couldn't play the Ajax way. And early on his managerial career even if he fails at this job he will be able to bounce back quickly enough.

It is also a huge advantage he can take over immediately. It means he will get several months to work with the players and assess the squad and work with INEOS to plan our summer transfer business which will increase the chances of it being successful. And he will have time to work with the players on the training ground so that by next season they'll know exactly what he wants from them and we can start strongly.

If we go for someone in the summer then by the time we've gone through the recruitment process it will be middle of the summer. This will mean the manager will have little chance to influence the summer transfer business so INEOS could end up buying players he doesn't want and he won't get much time to work with the players as pre-season is increasingly a waste of time and that could make for another rocky start to the season.

Not to mention that there is no guarantee the managers available in the summer would want to join us. And Xavi and Terzic might accept other positions in the meantime.

I'd be OK with Terzic as well as he did pretty well with Dortmund getting them to the Champions League final and a point away from winning the Bundesliga. And he also has a lot of coaching experience. And heaven knows our players could benefit from coaching. But I think Dortmund to Manchester United is still a step up which creates a risk. Whereas Barcelona to Manchester United is a horizontal move.

But both are viable candidates so I would interview both and appoint one of them rather than waiting until the summer and writing off another season.

[Tatty]

Giving up on ZiZou then?

[viking22]

I think for Zizou it would be far too much of a step down in terms of the quality and mentality of the players he'd be managing. They'd be far more likely to bring Zizou down to their level than vice versa!
I also think he'd likely want a lot of assurances from INEOS they'd be unwilling to provide.

At least at Barcelona Xavi wasn't managing a particularly good Barcelona team. We managed to beat them over two legs in Erik's first season. And they were also in transition with a lot of young players coming through.

[seanie]

It's Southgate and you all know it

[Jayrannasaurus]

I think if Ruud starts getting results INEOS will delay a permanent appointment until the Summer.

Here for it, looking forward to being able to look forward to games again!

[Jayrannasaurus]

Oct 28, 2024 17:15:35 GMT seanie said:

It's Southgate and you all know it

Get out.

[kingkobbie]

Thomas Frank is on the shortlist

LOL

[Kojak]

Southgate’s said he won’t be working this season. He tends to be true to his word so if it is going to be him it would more than likely mean Ruud for the rest of the season.

If we can act quickly, the Europa is still very winnable. Not that we’re known for acting quickly or decisively.

[viking22]

Southgate has already said he wants at least a year's break from management. He is an intelligent and thoughtful guy and will know that he'd have a nightmare as Manchester United manager with most of the fans against him from the start and he didn't enjoy the media and fan criticism in his final tournament as England boss and it will be a LOT worse as Manchester United boss.

I think INEOS will also play it safe and hire someone qualified for the job. It is no coincidence the first manager they pushed for was Tuchel and they preferred to stick with Erik in the summer rather than go with other available managers such as Frank, Potter, McKenna, De Zerbi etc.

[johnboy14]

Oct 28, 2024 17:27:56 GMT viking22 said:

Southgate has already said he wants at least a year's break from management. He is an intelligent and thoughtful guy and will know that he'd have a nightmare as Manchester United manager with most of the fans against him from the start and he didn't enjoy the media and fan criticism in his final tournament as England boss and it will be a LOT worse as Manchester United boss.

I think INEOS will also play it safe and hire someone qualified for the job. It is no coincidence the first manager they pushed for was Tuchel and they preferred to stick with Erik in the summer rather than go with other available managers such as Frank, Potter, McKenna, De Zerbi etc.

Southgate a liar. If this job was available he'd be up here faster than you could say "Fuck, not Gareth Southgate"

[seanie]

I don't see the bounce with Ruud because the players are so shit anyway and he's basically been taking the training sessions for the majority of time.

Mourinho had become absolutely toxic and fed up with it all well before he left and a bunch of players were just drained or gave up. Solskjaer also played transition wing play and so it suited the players more than Mourinho, plus Solskjaer had a pretty easy run at the start!


They would be better off getting an experienced interim coach like Allegri or someone like that and wait for these pussies to finish their sabbaticals. If it all goes well under Allegri then give it to him!

Fucking Southgate though jesus christ

[johnboy14]

Oct 28, 2024 16:47:05 GMT viking22 said:

I think Xavi would tick a lot of boxes.

-He's had experience managing a big club and won a few trophies already
-He's had experience working with an unbalanced squad in transition and will have learnt from the experience
-His illustrious playing career will give him some pulling power and help him win over the dressing room. He will have also learnt a lot from all the coaches that managed him at Barcelona.
-He's immediately available and we wouldn't have to pay any compensation
-He believes in possession based football which is probably where we want to be going as it will give us more control over games and is less chaotic than Erik's transition based style

He is relatively inexperienced but I think that is an advantage. It means he will be OK with INEOS calling the shots which someone like Tuchel wasn't prepared to do. It means he is flexible enough that he can adapt to the players and to INEOS rather than being wedded to a particular philosophy or style. He also doesn't have the arrogance or stubbornness that contributed to Erik's failure with us. But he's also idealistic enough that he won't just give up the way Erik did when he decided quickly we couldn't play the Ajax way. And early on his managerial career even if he fails at this job he will be able to bounce back quickly enough.

It is also a huge advantage he can take over immediately. It means he will get several months to work with the players and assess the squad and work with INEOS to plan our summer transfer business which will increase the chances of it being successful. And he will have time to work with the players on the training ground so that by next season they'll know exactly what he wants from them and we can start strongly.

If we go for someone in the summer then by the time we've gone through the recruitment process it will be middle of the summer. This will mean the manager will have little chance to influence the summer transfer business so INEOS could end up buying players he doesn't want and he won't get much time to work with the players as pre-season is increasingly a waste of time and that could make for another rocky start to the season.

Not to mention that there is no guarantee the managers available in the summer would want to join us. And Xavi and Terzic might accept other positions in the meantime.

I'd be OK with Terzic as well as he did pretty well with Dortmund getting them to the Champions League final and a point away from winning the Bundesliga. And he also has a lot of coaching experience. And heaven knows our players could benefit from coaching. But I think Dortmund to Manchester United is still a step up which creates a risk. Whereas Barcelona to Manchester United is a horizontal move.

But both are viable candidates so I would interview both and appoint one of them rather than waiting until the summer and writing off another season.

Was a great great player, not convinced he'd be a great coach just yet. De Zebri anyone?

[seanie]

That's probably the plan.. Let it get so shit that Southgate seems like a good idea plus they are skint and tight as fuck, worse than the gimps, so they probably can't afford to pay off ETH and hire anyone of real note!