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Post by Paul on Oct 23, 2022 18:57:01 GMT
But we're not shooting ourselves in the foot because he isn't scoring when he does play. Last season he performed but this season he isn't. Whether that's the system TH wants to play or the fact he doesn't want to be there is anybodies guess but the only person shooting themselves in the foot is him atm. Didn’t he score against Everton? He's scored one goal well done. The team have also performed better without him this season. You can't play him just because of his reputation and if you disrespect the manager and the club then you deserve to be held accountable which is what's happened. He could have come on last night and made an impact but he cost his place in the squad. Team>player. This Ronaldo argument is just getting boring now. He'll always be a legend of the club but he doesn't fit this system and his heart isn't 100% in it.
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Post by Bestie on Oct 23, 2022 18:57:21 GMT
Doesn't count if it doesn't fit the narrative. It's also weird that Rashford/others get to be w worse than average most weeks but in those cases the manager 'has no other options'. Ronaldo isn't a legend, fuck Roy Keane ... This thread is mess. Yeah I wondered why Everton was missed out on that list . 👀 What Ronaldo did last season is irrelevant but the manager who has us fifth and handed our arse by city and fucking Brentford 'needs time'. I'm on board with ten Hag but he has a bit to do before I would say he's 'in credit'.
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Post by Karma on Oct 23, 2022 19:00:25 GMT
Yeah I wondered why Everton was missed out on that list . 👀 What Ronaldo did last season is irrelevant but the manager who has us fifth and handed our arse by city and fucking Brentford 'needs time'. I'm on board with ten Hag but he has a bit to do before I would say he's 'in credit'. Actually 6th .
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Post by Paul on Oct 23, 2022 19:01:26 GMT
What Ronaldo did last season is irrelevant but the manager who has us fifth and handed our arse by city and fucking Brentford 'needs time'. I'm on board with ten Hag but he has a bit to do before I would say he's 'in credit'. Actually 6th . With a game in hand, 3 points off 3rd. Christ you thrive off being negative fair play.
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Post by Bestie on Oct 23, 2022 19:04:14 GMT
Just saying this as I see it, Ronaldo is Ronaldo but he doesn't fit how ETH wants us to play, Ronaldo also isn't Ronaldo from 10 years ago, he's a great player still but he's finished at the absolute top table, his age has caught up with him, we as a team are better with out him the way we want to play, but we also need a striker who suits that to improve us, Ronaldo isnt that player.its finished for him and we all need to accept that. Why, because 'he doesn't press'? So what. Set aside that he can press, we need to score goals. Ronaldo will do that when given chances. It's grand to say 'this is how ten Hag wants to play' but there has to be an element of realism and the art of the possible. Say we wanted to be a long ball team - if everyone was five feet tall and the goalkeeper was six feet should we pick the tallest player in the squad to play up front? Implementing a style of football is great - I am all for it. But I value winning more. And Ronaldo is an elite resource to do that.
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Post by Bestie on Oct 23, 2022 19:04:59 GMT
With a game in hand, 3 points off 3rd. Jesus christ you thrive off being negative fair play. How many points off the only position that actually matters?
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Post by bushy1987 on Oct 23, 2022 19:09:17 GMT
Just saying this as I see it, Ronaldo is Ronaldo but he doesn't fit how ETH wants us to play, Ronaldo also isn't Ronaldo from 10 years ago, he's a great player still but he's finished at the absolute top table, his age has caught up with him, we as a team are better with out him the way we want to play, but we also need a striker who suits that to improve us, Ronaldo isnt that player.its finished for him and we all need to accept that. Why, because 'he doesn't press'? So what. Set aside that he can press, we need to score goals. Ronaldo will do that when given chances. It's grand to say 'this is how ten Hag wants to play' but there has to be an element of realism and the art of the possible. Say we wanted to be a long ball team - if everyone was five feet tall and the goalkeeper was six feet should we pick the tallest player in the squad to play up front? Implementing a style of football is great - I am all for it. But I value winning more. And Ronaldo is an elite resource to do that. He's finished the sooner we all move on the better
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Post by Karma on Oct 23, 2022 19:09:33 GMT
With a game in hand, 3 points off 3rd. Christ you thrive off being negative fair play. A game in hand isn’t points unless we win. Factual information.
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Post by Paul on Oct 23, 2022 19:09:40 GMT
With a game in hand, 3 points off 3rd. Jesus christ you thrive off being negative fair play. How many points off the only position that actually matters? We're not in a position to be challenging yet. Of course there's a standard but then there's also expectation. Nobody is expecting TH to be challenging for the title this season. I absolutely agree that it's the minimum we should be aiming but let's be realistic, its not going to be happening this season. Top 4 was the the aim this season in the league and right now we're in a position to be aiming for that. Id rather look on the positive side than constantly focus on the negative. It's not healthy and ultimately does nothing good for anyone.
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Post by Karma on Oct 23, 2022 19:12:25 GMT
How many points off the only position that actually matters? We're not in a position to be challenging yet. Of course there's a standard but then there's also expectation. Nobody is expecting TH to be challenging for the title this season. I absolutely agree that it's the minimum we should be aiming but let's be realistic, its not going to be happening this season. Top 4 was the the aim this season in the league and right now we're in a position to be aiming for that. His transfers have been very good but I still get a whiff of naivety when it comes to what he believes our forwards are capable of .
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Post by Paul on Oct 23, 2022 19:16:21 GMT
We're not in a position to be challenging yet. Of course there's a standard but then there's also expectation. Nobody is expecting TH to be challenging for the title this season. I absolutely agree that it's the minimum we should be aiming but let's be realistic, its not going to be happening this season. Top 4 was the the aim this season in the league and right now we're in a position to be aiming for that. His transfers have been very good but I still get a whiff of naivety when it comes to what he believes our forwards are capable of . He's in a position where he's got limited options up front. I'm assuming he's trying to remain as optimistic as he can until he's able to do something about it. As you've said the transfers have been very good so I'm holding out that the same applies when he's able to add a striker to it. It's still very early in the season so I'm firmly behind Erik and look forward to seeing how the season progresses. Against the teams above us we've lost to one of them, that in itself is progress, but it needs to continue, as I'm sure it will.
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Post by Paul on Oct 23, 2022 19:48:33 GMT
We're not in a position to be challenging yet. Of course there's a standard but then there's also expectation. Nobody is expecting TH to be challenging for the title this season. I absolutely agree that it's the minimum we should be aiming but let's be realistic, its not going to be happening this season. Top 4 was the the aim this season in the league and right now we're in a position to be aiming for that. Id rather look on the positive side than constantly focus on the negative. It's not healthy and ultimately does nothing good for anyone. So, how many points off the only relevant spot in the League is that then? I'm sure you're capable of reading the league table to know that without my input. Either way the only relevant spot right now is top 4 which was a realistic target considering the work that had to be done with the dross of last season. People constantly nit picking and being negative when there's no need to and when we knew what our level was gonna be at the start of the season is pointless tbh.
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Post by viking22 on Oct 23, 2022 20:51:25 GMT
He could have added a striker this summer but instead chose to spend 100m euros on Antony. So he had to find a way to use Ronaldo as part of his attacking options. Reducing him to a bit part role from the outset isn't good man management. Admittedly Ronaldo hasn't made things easily but part of being a Manchester United manager is being able to handle big names.
As a team we do look better without Ronaldo but we aren't scoring enough goals. So Erik should have found a way to integrate Ronaldo into the squad at least as a part of a Plan B. He has shown a bit of pragmatism earlier in the season abandoning playing from the back and playing a bit of Ole ball at times. He could have shown the same kind of pragmatism to adapt our tactics a bit when Ronaldo is playing. Also while Ronaldo is acting out he clearly isn't happy and his confidence is low as he isn't scoring. So Erik could have done more to back Ronaldo publicly (the way he is with Rashford) and shown him more love and respect. Not giving him any minutes against Manchester City and taking him off in the Newcastle game and only offering him a few minutes at the end of the Tottenham game is humiliating to Ronaldo and while he shouldn't have reacted to petulantly it is hardly the way to get an unsettled player back onside.
I think bridges have been burned. So Erik needs to insist on a January exit and sufficient funds for at least a stop gap solution to tide us over to the summer. Otherwise lack of goals is going to cost us top 4.
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Post by harvindhillon on Oct 23, 2022 22:31:29 GMT
Not a big fan of Rashford but at least he runs around and find space and presses part of the team. It is clear Ronaldo hasnt the legs for that, hence why he is best off the bench which is something he doesnt like and now just acting unprofessional. It is what it is
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Post by harvindhillon on Oct 23, 2022 22:32:07 GMT
Lets play Ronaldo every game even though the rest of the team suffers as a result.. Lets change Manchester United to Ronaldo FC while we are at it. I dont get this blind devotion to Ronaldo, its clear he is at the very end of his career, he needs to accept it and so do you by the sounds of it. The sooner he leaves the better and we can be done with this silly distractions for ETH.
We are playing good football after a bloody long time, let's try to enjoy it. That by the way doesnt let the Glazers off the hook, we can play well and still want the Glazers out, there is no correlation there.
Called it. Okie Dokie, want a cookie?
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