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Post by Chris on Jan 16, 2010 11:50:02 GMT
Talk about total football. For anyone who hasn't seen it, check out the goals Barca scored against Tenerife last week.
Ok, the opposition isn't Real Madrid, but some top class goals here. Check out Iniesta's run for the 3rd and Messi's goal for Barca's 4th. Feels a shame to watch this when watching us can be ever so painful at times!!
Yes, Im bumming Barcelona #bummed#
EDIT: I titled this thread 'im bumming Barcelona' but decided to change it into a thread about any great football you have seen in that week, like I did here. Put any videos on with any team other than United with what you think is shit hot football.
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Post by peejay80 on Jan 16, 2010 11:54:49 GMT
gotta agree chris, barca are tremendous to watch, im on the verge of saying that lionel messi is just about has good as ive seen in my life time. its frightening
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Post by Bestie on Jan 17, 2010 0:32:47 GMT
Barcelona don't play total football. It's a very good, pretty style of football, but it isn't total football.
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Post by peejay80 on Jan 17, 2010 7:56:50 GMT
the worlds press must be wrong then. i watched that game for the full 90 and thet were tremendous.
come on then bestie, tell us in your infinite wisdom what they lack?
this should be interesting.
im not up for a row here but from what i can see barca have got the lot on thier day. solid defenders, fluent midfield, forwards who score bagfulls. theyve got pace, theyve got height, theyve got skill, trickery etc.
what isnt total about it? because you say chris is wrong but dont actually say why.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2010 12:45:57 GMT
the tenerifie players look scared to put a tackle in :\
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Post by peejay80 on Jan 17, 2010 12:49:47 GMT
the tenerifie players look scared to put a tackle in :\ id say they looked more bamboozled by the way the ball was being moved about, in fairness tenerife are a bit shit though and struggling in la liga a bit. |
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Post by Chris on Jan 17, 2010 16:46:41 GMT
Must disagree Bestie, but please, put on a video yourself about what you consider as total football. Thats what the thread is for.
Last night, Barca beat Sevilla 4-0
They just don't seem to lose the ball. Xavi just see's things that nobody else does.
Should just name this 'the Barcelona appreciation thread'. Other than videos of Arsenal, I can't think of much else to put on!!
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Post by Bestie on Jan 17, 2010 20:23:40 GMT
Must disagree Bestie, but please, put on a video yourself about what you consider as total football. Thats what the thread is for. Last night, Barca beat Sevilla 4-0 They just don't seem to lose the ball. Xavi just see's things that nobody else does. Should just name this 'the Barcelona appreciation thread'. Other than videos of Arsenal, I can't think of much else to put on!! Chris, I'd love to stick up videos, but there aren't many online that I can just link to of the Dutch in the 70's, both the national team and Ajax. There were something else. I would agree however, that Barca are probably about as close as it can get to total football in the modern game. To answer peejay's question, the original total football, the famous Dutch form of playing, includes many things that just aren't incorporated in Barcelona's play. I won't go into all of them, and I don't want to come across as preaching, because I have actually done a lot of research into the ideals of total football and the Dutch way of thinking of football. Incidentally, I cannot recommend brilliant orange, by David Winner, highly enough for anyone who wants to read about the progression of Dutch football and the innovation of what has become 'total football'. Anyway, the differences between total football and the way Barcelona play. The first major difference is the use of the offside trap as an attacking weapon. In total football, the team will defend very, very high up the pitch. Barcelona do not. Simple as that. The second point is the fun one, and is the complete position swapping of every outfield player. Everyone is familiar with an overlapping full back, at Barca Daniel Alves bombs foward at any oppurtunity for example. But how often do you see Puyol rampaging through the centre of the park in open play into an attacking position, while Xavi drops back and covers? Sometimes, yes, and it is amazing. Or seeing Ibra drop back to play in the midfield while Xavi and Iniesta flood the box? Ibrahimovic pulling wide left, and Alves moving into right winger. Each player rotating positions over and over to create space. Again, sometimes, but it isn't that often. Barca attack with Xavi and Iniesta from the centre of midfield, with Messi and Henry wide either side of a lone striker. Yes, sometimes these players will move from side to side or move up and down, but rarely will they actually leave that position entirely and go play somewhere else. Same positions, different personnel. Total football has this sort of inter-changing positions of every player, all the time. Constant movement to make space, again and again, fluid and swirling beautifully like art. That is why I say Barcelona are close to total football without playing it completely. Of course, there are other differences, but I could write for pages on total football. I think anyone with a passion for football would probably sit down and debate for hours if this Barcelona team or any other has or will be able to perfect the exact magic of Rinus Michels. |
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Post by fletchabey on Jan 17, 2010 20:38:53 GMT
Total Football doesn't just mean Awesome Technical Football. As Bestie has said the strategy in itself does mean that basically anyone player can (and does) play in any position. I didnt particularly think Barca were like that, regardless of their technical abilities.
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Post by Chris on Jan 18, 2010 12:18:08 GMT
Geez, all I wanted to do was make a thread full of recent great football so people can upload videos and we can comment and enjoy it!! Bloody hell!!
Right, ill change the tite again!!!!!
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Post by Bestie on Jan 18, 2010 13:17:28 GMT
Aw! I like debating total football. It's actually really interesting to see how different people view it and appreciate really good quality football.
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Post by Dizzy on Jan 18, 2010 15:29:34 GMT
Oh Xavi and Iniesta... <3
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Post by Ole's Red Whiteknight03 Army on Jan 18, 2010 15:38:55 GMT
Didn't Johan Cruyff say the only team currently playing total football was Steve McClaren's FC Twente?
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jan 18, 2010 16:18:01 GMT
Screw praising Barca, we need to beat them to win the CL this season....heres some proper total football for ya!! ;D
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Post by Chris on Jan 18, 2010 16:34:20 GMT
You do right praising Doncaster Rovers. They play the best football in the championship I should know, i'm from there! With a bit of consistancy, they can make the play offs, but like the rest of our shit town, they have no money. Shame. Its a shame for Burnley too because they were after the Rovers manager Sean O'Driscoll, and he's good enough to manage in the Premiership.
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