Talk about total football. For anyone who hasn't seen it, check out the goals Barca scored against Tenerife last week.
Ok, the opposition isn't Real Madrid, but some top class goals here. Check out Iniesta's run for the 3rd and Messi's goal for Barca's 4th. Feels a shame to watch this when watching us can be ever so painful at times!!
Yes, Im bumming Barcelona #bummed#
EDIT: I titled this thread 'im bumming Barcelona' but decided to change it into a thread about any great football you have seen in that week, like I did here. Put any videos on with any team other than United with what you think is shit hot football.
the worlds press must be wrong then. i watched that game for the full 90 and thet were tremendous.
come on then bestie, tell us in your infinite wisdom what they lack?
this should be interesting.
im not up for a row here but from what i can see barca have got the lot on thier day. solid defenders, fluent midfield, forwards who score bagfulls. theyve got pace, theyve got height, theyve got skill, trickery etc.
what isnt total about it? because you say chris is wrong but dont actually say why.
Must disagree Bestie, but please, put on a video yourself about what you consider as total football. Thats what the thread is for.
Last night, Barca beat Sevilla 4-0
They just don't seem to lose the ball. Xavi just see's things that nobody else does.
Should just name this 'the Barcelona appreciation thread'. Other than videos of Arsenal, I can't think of much else to put on!!
Chris, I'd love to stick up videos, but there aren't many online that I can just link to of the Dutch in the 70's, both the national team and Ajax. There were something else. I would agree however, that Barca are probably about as close as it can get to total football in the modern game.
To answer peejay's question, the original total football, the famous Dutch form of playing, includes many things that just aren't incorporated in Barcelona's play. I won't go into all of them, and I don't want to come across as preaching, because I have actually done a lot of research into the ideals of total football and the Dutch way of thinking of football. Incidentally, I cannot recommend brilliant orange, by David Winner, highly enough for anyone who wants to read about the progression of Dutch football and the innovation of what has become 'total football'.
Anyway, the differences between total football and the way Barcelona play. The first major difference is the use of the offside trap as an attacking weapon. In total football, the team will defend very, very high up the pitch. Barcelona do not. Simple as that.
The second point is the fun one, and is the complete position swapping of every outfield player. Everyone is familiar with an overlapping full back, at Barca Daniel Alves bombs foward at any oppurtunity for example. But how often do you see Puyol rampaging through the centre of the park in open play into an attacking position, while Xavi drops back and covers? Sometimes, yes, and it is amazing. Or seeing Ibra drop back to play in the midfield while Xavi and Iniesta flood the box? Ibrahimovic pulling wide left, and Alves moving into right winger. Each player rotating positions over and over to create space. Again, sometimes, but it isn't that often. Barca attack with Xavi and Iniesta from the centre of midfield, with Messi and Henry wide either side of a lone striker. Yes, sometimes these players will move from side to side or move up and down, but rarely will they actually leave that position entirely and go play somewhere else. Same positions, different personnel. Total football has this sort of inter-changing positions of every player, all the time. Constant movement to make space, again and again, fluid and swirling beautifully like art. That is why I say Barcelona are close to total football without playing it completely.
Of course, there are other differences, but I could write for pages on total football. I think anyone with a passion for football would probably sit down and debate for hours if this Barcelona team or any other has or will be able to perfect the exact magic of Rinus Michels.
We win together, lose together. We celebrate triumph and endure defeat together. Losses are softened and victories sweetened because we do them together. One team. One religion. One love.
Total Football doesn't just mean Awesome Technical Football. As Bestie has said the strategy in itself does mean that basically anyone player can (and does) play in any position. I didnt particularly think Barca were like that, regardless of their technical abilities.
You do right praising Doncaster Rovers. They play the best football in the championship I should know, i'm from there! With a bit of consistancy, they can make the play offs, but like the rest of our shit town, they have no money. Shame. Its a shame for Burnley too because they were after the Rovers manager Sean O'Driscoll, and he's good enough to manage in the Premiership.
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May 10, 2018 18:27:15 GMT
WhatsTheMata: Glad you think it's funny. When we get fucked around by the spells you just deleted you will take me seriously
May 19, 2018 11:57:48 GMT
No.7: Can this thread be unlocked or is it too early? not that i want Jose out now but i think were coming close to that time and want to hear peoples opinions on the subject.
Sept 20, 2018 10:15:25 GMT
cjjagzmoni: Pogba is a good lad minus the showboating..I think at Juventus he had Older players like Pirlo,Chiellini,Marchisio,Bonucci who shout and screams at him so he was more serious at Juve ,We dont have those type of leaders at United to caution him.
Nov 1, 2018 3:36:38 GMT
geo: Cardiff City - Huddersfield Town - Bournemouth - Newcastle United = 12 points. Back in the hunt. Come on.
Dec 19, 2018 17:55:18 GMT
geo: Job done as above - next step, stay unbeaten until we get to the PSG game.
Jan 3, 2019 23:17:42 GMT
theedge: Just discovered this forum. I live in Canada so don't get to many games, but I get to watch all the games live. Last 2 games attended in person: Europa League Final in Stockholm 2017, FA Cup Final 2016. Won the last 11 I've been to. I need to go more often
Apr 1, 2019 23:25:01 GMT
simes: Kazakhstan....well blow me down...been there many a time, not so bad a journey. FC Astana are not a bad outfit, gave Celtic a good run, and the National side beat Scotland. What do you reckon a walk over? BTW its easy to get to, I always use Air Astana.
Aug 30, 2019 14:11:59 GMT
snan1218: Hi,I'm very new member,the Red Devil from Malaysia.
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