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Post by Tatty on Jul 2, 2021 23:53:08 GMT
I don’t think WCW understood what they were trying to do either mate. I should clarify I'm talking about pre-Monday Night Wars here. '88-'91 (so far). WWF knows exactly what they are. WCW have gone from a 'true' pro wrestling expanded-territory style outfit to a strange halfway house of down to earth wrestling in the same show as Big Josh and Big Gay Marc Mero. It's just a bit weird. I will accept zero Johnny B Badd slander
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Post by Bestie on Jul 2, 2021 23:54:51 GMT
Can't remember/be bothered to check if I've said before, but I just cannot get into the Steiners. They're just so vanilla. Particularly knowing what Scott Steiner I have to look forward to. Watching Bret's rise in 'real time' is pretty special. Scott Steiner was so good. Go back, man was special, if he came around now, he’d be a superstar ready for a Marvel franchise Early '90s, tag team in WCW/WWF Steiner? He's so dull! Great wrestler mind, very tidy.
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Post by Tatty on Jul 2, 2021 23:56:37 GMT
Scott Steiner was so good. Go back, man was special, if he came around now, he’d be a superstar ready for a Marvel franchise Early '90s, tag team in WCW/WWF Steiner? He's so dull! Great wrestler mind, very tidy. Like I say, he rules in 92x just throwing lads like no fuckers business. Only other person doing that was Dr Death, but he was in Japan. If you put 98 onward Steiner into his 92 body, biiiiig oooof!
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Post by Bestie on Jul 2, 2021 23:56:54 GMT
I should clarify I'm talking about pre-Monday Night Wars here. '88-'91 (so far). WWF knows exactly what they are. WCW have gone from a 'true' pro wrestling expanded-territory style outfit to a strange halfway house of down to earth wrestling in the same show as Big Josh and Big Gay Marc Mero. It's just a bit weird. I will accept zero Johnny B Badd slander If he had been in WWF it would have made sense. Having him in that era WCW is a bit of a double take.
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Post by Tatty on Jul 2, 2021 23:59:01 GMT
Another round of good people losing their jobs. There’s been some fucking shit days in the rasslin’ business recently. I'm starting to believe that Vince might actually be looking to sell given the large number at a time of record profitability. Feels like he is making the asset as lean as possible. He wants out, just so Paul doesn’t get the company. If HHH had any sense, he’d offer to buy out NXT and run that as his version of ECW that he desperately wants it to be
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Post by Tatty on Jul 3, 2021 0:00:18 GMT
I will accept zero Johnny B Badd slander If he had been in WWF it would have made sense. Having him in that era WCW is a bit of a double take. His DDP feud was great. Was getting over in Atlanta too. He was the best worker in that company at the time too. His move to Ny was killed the second vince met sable
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Post by Tatty on Jul 3, 2021 0:05:15 GMT
In this thread, can we at least agree, Bret Hart is far superior to HBK and anyone else who thinks differently, is a WWE plant?
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Post by Bestie on Jul 3, 2021 0:26:47 GMT
I'm starting to believe that Vince might actually be looking to sell given the large number at a time of record profitability. Feels like he is making the asset as lean as possible. He wants out, just so Paul doesn’t get the company. If HHH had any sense, he’d offer to buy out NXT and run that as his version of ECW that he desperately wants it to be The only really big idea Trips has had that I've been on board with is bringing back War Games.
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Post by Kojak on Jul 3, 2021 7:38:22 GMT
I don’t think WCW understood what they were trying to do either mate. The ‘DubyaSeeDubya’ didn’t know what they were doing angle is such a WWE psyop. WCW was brilliant until Sept 98, when it got silly. On an aside, if you put 98 Steiner persona, into 92 Steiner body, then you’d have the genuine natura successor to Hogan Nah, I’m not following a narrative with that comment, I’m a big WCW fan, but a lot of that pre ‘95 stuff Bestie is watching is proper dumb. Some really incoherent stuff going on. Not that WWF was brilliant at the time either, mind. From 1995 through to that point in 1998 you mentioned is the best wrestling television ever produced. I’m currently up to the end of 1999 on my rewatch and it’s sad how fast it fell apart.
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Jul 3, 2021 8:14:21 GMT
In this thread, can we at least agree, Bret Hart is far superior to HBK and anyone else who thinks differently, is a WWE plant? In the 90s, yeah, but I feel like people underrate his 02-10 run. He had the match of the year (in WWE at least) almost every year during that period, and several other contenders as well. Think that pushes him beyond.
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Post by Bestie on Jul 3, 2021 11:25:57 GMT
In this thread, can we at least agree, Bret Hart is far superior to HBK and anyone else who thinks differently, is a WWE plant? In the 90s, yeah, but I feel like people underrate his 02-10 run. He had the match of the year (in WWE at least) almost every year during that period, and several other contenders as well. Think that pushes him beyond. Nope, not having it. The best there was isn't a slogan it's fact. Bret could make anyone look hot in any match stipulation. The butterfly's wings beat differently before Montreal and the screwjob never happens, or if WCW don't completely go off the rails while Juan Mata-ing him, Bret Hart gets the longevity and recognition he deserves.
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Jul 3, 2021 22:10:01 GMT
In the 90s, yeah, but I feel like people underrate his 02-10 run. He had the match of the year (in WWE at least) almost every year during that period, and several other contenders as well. Think that pushes him beyond. Nope, not having it. The best there was isn't a slogan it's fact. Bret could make anyone look hot in any match stipulation. The butterfly's wings beat differently before Montreal and the screwjob never happens, or if WCW don't completely go off the rails while Juan Mata-ing him, Bret Hart gets the longevity and recognition he deserves. Could’ve, would’ve, should’ve. If Bret got another few years he may well have changed my mind, but unfortunately (genuinely) he didn’t, and Shawn did. I think Shawn simply has more top matches than Bret.
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Post by Reduntildeath on Jul 3, 2021 22:30:09 GMT
Nope, I’ve had a good gander at this thread over time, but I’ve still got absolutely no idea what it’s about, so I’ll slink away and leave y’all to it!
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Post by Tatty on Jul 3, 2021 22:45:41 GMT
Bret got brilliant matches out of Nash, PCO and some other absolute shit. Shawn barely got 30 seconds out of Khali. Bret would’ve made that guy.
Also, Bret had some proper heaters in WCW. His booking was dog shit, his bell to bell was some of his best work. Particularly his crippling of knees. Had a great program with DDP and Booker T too.
Going into fantasy booking, Bret vs Eddy, Bret vs Jericho and Bret vs Christian gives me a huge erection!
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Post by Kojak on Jul 3, 2021 23:02:09 GMT
I’m not a big Bret guy, he just wasn’t for me. But I’ll say this for him, he was derided at the time as not a great promo guy. Bullshit. His mic work was better than 90% of the current roster. He wasn’t goofy and didn’t have a gimmick on the horn at the time, so maybe he didn’t jump off the screen the same as everyone else. But especially as a heel, it always seemed real. Even during his underwhelming WCW introduction, I thought his segments with Mean Gene were really good.
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