Rob
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Post by Rob on Jul 4, 2010 15:50:09 GMT
Sorry mate I just can't buy into that, these players have strict diets, ice-baths after each game and they get expert advice to stay at optimal fitness for the whole year. Ok the game is much faster today than it was 20 or 30 years ago but the pitches were much harder back then and uneven. Nowadays the pitches are carpet like so if anything you needed rest more in the old days. Didn't stop the likes of Beckenbauer, Cruyff, Pele, Jairzinho, Zico, Socrates, Paolo Rossi, Ricardo Villa, Osvaldo Ardiles from winning the world cup. Even in the old days of the first division, it was 42 games per season, not including league/FA Cup and European cup/UEFA etc. Now, they reduced that to 38 games per season in the league and to be honest, it hasn't changed a thing for the England team. Tiredness is in the mind. Watch any of the guys who do the Tour De France, that is what you call fitness. |
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Post by Madds Tim on Jul 4, 2010 15:53:27 GMT
Exactly a winter brak won't solve anything, it'll just mean more fixtured near the end of the season. So wouldn't that mean the players would be more tired than if there was no winter break as they would have played a huge number of games near the end of the season? These people are professional footballers who have the best facilities and the best medical care available, so to say they are tired is ludicrous. Fixture congestion is not an excuse to ignore a winter break so drop that argument. The players in England get to april and they are starting to feel the pace big time, come the end of may they have nothing left. The germans basically have two preseasons. One in the summer and one in the winter. Come april time there players are approaching optimal fitness and they play less games also. Theres just too much football for the very top players and comparing it to years ago is another pointless argument because the game is more physically demanding than it ever was compared to 20 or 30 years ago. A side like ours won the treble because we had a big squad full of quality to compensate fatique. Theyre approaching optimal fitness in April? It takes them 4 months to regain full fitness after a break from December 21 - Jan 15, surely theyre working in the gym or doing light work for that month? Jesus christ, 4 months for a top class athlete to return to full fitness, ridiculous, each German footballer must consume about 20 frankfurters per day and wash it down with a few litres of pilsner at that ludicrous rate, not to mention the christmas dinner. |
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Post by johnboy14 on Jul 4, 2010 17:29:27 GMT
Fixture congestion is not an excuse to ignore a winter break so drop that argument. The players in England get to april and they are starting to feel the pace big time, come the end of may they have nothing left. The germans basically have two preseasons. One in the summer and one in the winter. Come april time there players are approaching optimal fitness and they play less games also. Theres just too much football for the very top players and comparing it to years ago is another pointless argument because the game is more physically demanding than it ever was compared to 20 or 30 years ago. A side like ours won the treble because we had a big squad full of quality to compensate fatique. Theyre approaching optimal fitness in April? It takes them 4 months to regain full fitness after a break from December 21 - Jan 15, surely theyre working in the gym or doing light work for that month? Jesus christ, 4 months for a top class athlete to return to full fitness, ridiculous, each German footballer must consume about 20 frankfurters per day and wash it down with a few litres of pilsner at that ludicrous rate, not to mention the christmas dinner. Its well known the germans feel alot fresher come may than players playing in england. Look at all the top managers in the game that are asking for a winter break even ferguson said its a big ask to go into a tournament at the end of an english season and perform at your best. |
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Post by fletchabey on Jul 5, 2010 9:04:15 GMT
Tiredness is in the mind. Watch any of the guys who do the Tour De France, that is what you call fitness. Footballers arent laced to their eyeballs with EPO's though. Anyway, i wouldn't say its down to energy in the tank alone. With so much pressure on teams, players get thrown back from injuries to early. Just look at Rooney or Torres this season. A few weeks without a competitive fixture would alleviate some of that. |
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Post by ericactor1 on Jul 5, 2010 18:03:08 GMT
International duty has never really been taking seriously by players.
They seem to meet up for the 'crack' and a good time with fellow country men.
Andy Reid was a prime example of this with Ireland.
But in saying that, when it comes to a major competition the World Cup these players give it there all.
They are professional and therefore it is in there blood to want to win every game.
In there defense, these players play in a certain system week in week out all season long. They are surround by players whom they know like the back of there hands. When playing with there national squad they might not have the quality surrounding them or maybe there manager is not good, or maybe they do not suit the system in which is being played.
There is so many factors, I think it is un fair to point the finger and blame the player.
Everyone says Rooney was a disaster at the world cup. Fair enough. I accept that. But does that mean he is not a good player? You have to ask the question weather Capello played to suit Rooney.
Messi ? Scored no goals having more shots than any other player in the tournament. Is Messi not a good player?
I'm sure Rooney/Messi will come out next season and set the world alight again with there performances.
For me the quality of players around and tactics are sometimes to blame for poor international performances. Maradonna had Messi playing a central midfield role at one stage. That's not his best position.
I think there is also to high of a expectancy on major players, this at times can make star players take there position in the national side for granted.
Fitness and tiredness it always a factor but I think these players have more than capable for the fitness challenge of a major tournament every four years.
All in all I will not point the finger at the player, think they have too much expectancy put on there shoulders.
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Post by johnboy14 on Jul 5, 2010 19:36:37 GMT
With rooney i look at the players around him and get got nobody worth a shit. I just think that england team was to old and past its prime. Rooney place among the best players in europe won't change because of the world cup and either will messi or ronaldos but it is a shame that these players can't shine in the biggest stage in the international game. I think football is alot to do with timing aswell, can you imagine if rooney had players of shearer or sheringhams class around him.
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