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Post by johnboy14 on Jul 4, 2010 12:55:23 GMT
If anything comes from this world cup its the inability of the worlds best footballers to perform at there best. Ronaldo and Rooney had very average world cups really i wouldn't even call rooney's average. Messi was always on the edge of bursting into his barcelona best but never really done it, He scored 47 goals this season and didn't look like ever scoring in south africa. Kaka was also very average for brazil. Why have the best players in the world game failed to live up to expectations when lesser players like podolski, klose, forlan, kuyt and most of the german team to be fair have all been brillant.
Is it squarely down to fatique or the pressure that not even these top players can live with. Somebody i know made a fascinating point about the german team saying that klose for example had only played like 20 odd games this season while podolski had played just as many for koln. The majority of germanys team has played a similar amount of times bar lahmn who had a long season with bayern. If you combine that with a long winter break its no surprise the germans are really the only team in the tournament that seem to have so much energy and running power throughout there team. Spain for example looked lethargic last night and without villa they may well have caught an early flight home ages ago. Its a great shame in my opinion because years ago the top players always brought there A game to the world cup and its seems to have reversed in recent times.
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Post by Rob on Jul 4, 2010 13:01:57 GMT
If anything comes from this world cup its the inability of the worlds best footballers to perform at there best. Ronaldo and Rooney had very average world cups really i wouldn't even call rooney's average. Messi was always on the edge of bursting into his barcelona best but never really done it, He scored 47 goals this season and didn't look like ever scoring in south africa. Kaka was also very average for brazil. Why have the best players in the world game failed to live up to expectations when lesser players like podolski, klose, forlan, kuyt and most of the german team to be fair have all been brillant. Is it squarely down to fatique or the pressure that not even these top players can live with. Somebody i know made a fascinating point about the german team saying that klose for example had only played like 20 odd games this season while podolski had played just as many for koln. The majority of germanys team has played a similar amount of times bar lahmn who had a long season with bayern. If you combine that with a long winter break its no surprise the germans are really the only team in the tournament that seem to have so much energy and running power throughout there team. Spain for example looked lethargic last night and without villa they may well have caught an early flight home ages ago. Its a great shame in my opinion because years ago the top players always brought there A game to the world cup and its seems to have reversed in recent times. The theory that a break can make the difference is rubbish. How many games did Heskey play all season, how many games did Gerrard play, the list is endless. Look at Henry for France, played very few games for Barca yet he was still rubbish, though he didn't play so, it doesn't count. Nevertheless, I would have thought the Chelsea players would have made a difference considering they had gone to South Africa on a high after completing a double. I just think that a major part of the South American teams have adapted to the european way of playing, and thus their bodies have become accustomed to playing at low altitudes. And that shows because when they started playing at high altitudes, they seemed tired. |
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Post by johnboy14 on Jul 4, 2010 13:49:41 GMT
Rooney has played from july(pre season tour) to june(world cup), I don't care what people say but thats a long time without a rest.
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Post by Madds Tim on Jul 4, 2010 14:06:13 GMT
If there was a winter break wouldnt there be a lot of fixture congestion in the latter half of the season, also the first naturally, but the point is they'd still be suffering from fatigue when they'd completed the congested fixture list.
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Post by Rob on Jul 4, 2010 14:17:58 GMT
If there was a winter break wouldnt there be a lot of fixture congestion in the latter half of the season, also the first naturally, but the point is they'd still be suffering from fatigue when they'd completed the congested fixture list. A congested fixture list didn't stop us doing the treble. It didn't stop Barca from winning everything going did it. On this one CP, I would have to disagree. Even France has a nice winter break, but nothing changed for the French team. |
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Post by Madds Tim on Jul 4, 2010 14:22:47 GMT
If there was a winter break wouldnt there be a lot of fixture congestion in the latter half of the season, also the first naturally, but the point is they'd still be suffering from fatigue when they'd completed the congested fixture list. A congested fixture list didn't stop us doing the treble. It didn't stop Barca from winning everything going did it. On this one CP, I would have to disagree. Even France has a nice winter break, but nothing changed for the French team. What I meant was, if youre going to buy into the whole fatigue at the WC theory, then a winter break wouldnt help all that much because there'd be a higher concentration of games for players to play. EDIT: The whole idea of a break is a load of bollocks I reckon. |
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Post by Rob on Jul 4, 2010 14:26:13 GMT
A congested fixture list didn't stop us doing the treble. It didn't stop Barca from winning everything going did it. On this one CP, I would have to disagree. Even France has a nice winter break, but nothing changed for the French team. What I meant was, if youre going to buy into the whole fatigue at the WC theory, then a winter break wouldnt help all that much because there'd be a higher concentration of games for players to play. The only ones I felt were tired, were those like Rooney, Gerrard, Torres, Ashley Cole and some others. This is not down to the number of games, but due to a lack of match fitness after coming back from injury. Especially Wayne Rooney who really should have been rested in all the matches after the Bayern match. Those who didn't shine in the world cup are those who cannot really cut it at the top level, and it showed, but I see where you are coming from. |
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Post by Madds Tim on Jul 4, 2010 14:34:01 GMT
What I meant was, if youre going to buy into the whole fatigue at the WC theory, then a winter break wouldnt help all that much because there'd be a higher concentration of games for players to play. The only ones I felt were tired, were those like Rooney, Gerrard, Torres, Ashley Cole and some others. This is not down to the number of games, but due to a lack of match fitness after coming back from injury. Especially Wayne Rooney who really should have been rested in all the matches after the Bayern match. Those who didn't shine in the world cup are those who cannot really cut it at the top level, and it showed, but I see where you are coming from. Yeah fair point! I still reckon Rooney was just shite like the rest of em at the end of the day though, I mean yeah he could have been a bit tired but that doesn't justify poor perfomances against the likes of Algeria, United's second string team would beat a team of Algeria's quality off the pitch you'd feel. Same with Gerrard obviously. Either way this winter break proposal is a load of shit! |
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Post by fletchabey on Jul 4, 2010 14:39:25 GMT
Winter break is a good idea, Fergie has wanted one for years and years.
It means dropping the prem down by 2 teams to save 4 fixtures, enough for a couple of weeks off in early January.
Money men wont let it happen, less games for Sky, less TV fee's and gate receipts for clubs.
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Post by Madds Tim on Jul 4, 2010 14:51:56 GMT
Winter break is a good idea, Fergie has wanted one for years and years. It means dropping the prem down by 2 teams to save 4 fixtures, enough for a couple of weeks off in early January.Money men wont let it happen, less games for Sky, less TV fee's and gate receipts for clubs. Oh, I didnt know about the bit highlighted. I don't think the Glazers would be very big fans of the winter break! Maybe if they sold wooly MUFC dog jumpers instead of just dog shirts they could compensate for the money lost over the winter break. They'd be a Christmas best seller |
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Post by Rob on Jul 4, 2010 14:55:35 GMT
The only ones I felt were tired, were those like Rooney, Gerrard, Torres, Ashley Cole and some others. This is not down to the number of games, but due to a lack of match fitness after coming back from injury. Especially Wayne Rooney who really should have been rested in all the matches after the Bayern match. Those who didn't shine in the world cup are those who cannot really cut it at the top level, and it showed, but I see where you are coming from. Yeah fair point! I still reckon Rooney was just shite like the rest of em at the end of the day though, I mean yeah he could have been a bit tired but that doesn't justify poor perfomances against the likes of Algeria, United's second string team would beat a team of Algeria's quality off the pitch you'd feel. Same with Gerrard obviously. Either way this winter break proposal is a load of shit! We might not like the dippers but Gerrard has been injured and he wasn't match fit just like Rooney. So, they have excuses just as Ashley Cole did. All I am saying is that, you would have thought the likes of Terry, Lampard who came off a double would be up for it, but no, they were shite. |
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Post by Madds Tim on Jul 4, 2010 15:02:43 GMT
Yeah fair point! I still reckon Rooney was just shite like the rest of em at the end of the day though, I mean yeah he could have been a bit tired but that doesn't justify poor perfomances against the likes of Algeria, United's second string team would beat a team of Algeria's quality off the pitch you'd feel. Same with Gerrard obviously. Either way this winter break proposal is a load of shit! We might not like the dippers but Gerrard has been injured and he wasn't match fit just like Rooney. So, they have excuses just as Ashley Cole did. All I am saying is that, you would have thought the likes of Terry, Lampard who came off a double would be up for it, but no, they were shite. Ashley Cole wasn't too bad, was Englands best, or least poor player. Yeah they were shite, well it might be a bit harsh to call Terry shite, I mean he was a right prick at the WC, but football-wise he wasnt woeful, probably average, relatively average. Lampard was shit alright, I've seen Matt Holland turn in better WC performances. |
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Post by irishredmufc on Jul 4, 2010 15:25:35 GMT
If there was a winter break wouldnt there be a lot of fixture congestion in the latter half of the season, also the first naturally, but the point is they'd still be suffering from fatigue when they'd completed the congested fixture list. Exactly a winter brak won't solve anything, it'll just mean more fixtured near the end of the season. So wouldn't that mean the players would be more tired than if there was no winter break as they would have played a huge number of games near the end of the season? These people are professional footballers who have the best facilities and the best medical care available, so to say they are tired is ludicrous. |
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Post by johnboy14 on Jul 4, 2010 15:32:32 GMT
If there was a winter break wouldnt there be a lot of fixture congestion in the latter half of the season, also the first naturally, but the point is they'd still be suffering from fatigue when they'd completed the congested fixture list. Exactly a winter brak won't solve anything, it'll just mean more fixtured near the end of the season. So wouldn't that mean the players would be more tired than if there was no winter break as they would have played a huge number of games near the end of the season? These people are professional footballers who have the best facilities and the best medical care available, so to say they are tired is ludicrous. Fixture congestion is not an excuse to ignore a winter break so drop that argument. The players in England get to april and they are starting to feel the pace big time, come the end of may they have nothing left. The germans basically have two preseasons. One in the summer and one in the winter. Come april time there players are approaching optimal fitness and they play less games also. Theres just too much football for the very top players and comparing it to years ago is another pointless argument because the game is more physically demanding than it ever was compared to 20 or 30 years ago. A side like ours won the treble because we had a big squad full of quality to compensate fatique. |
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Post by irishredmufc on Jul 4, 2010 15:42:47 GMT
Sorry mate I just can't buy into that, these players have strict diets, ice-baths after each game and they get expert advice to stay at optimal fitness for the whole year. Ok the game is much faster today than it was 20 or 30 years ago but the pitches were much harder back then and uneven. Nowadays the pitches are carpet like so if anything you needed rest more in the old days.
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