|
|
Post by johnboy14 on Jul 9, 2010 18:45:31 GMT
This may seem like strange question but I honestly don't enjoy the way they play. All this ball possession ruins the spectacle instead of adding to it. The style itself breeds negativity from opposition teams and I wouldn't be surprised to see holland use similar tactics that inter did with barcelona. Against germany yes they dominated but they really created very little for all that possession, if united had of had that possession we'd of won my 4 goals. There defence is rarely tested because the other team is unwilling to step out and they will keep the ball alot of the time just for the sake of keeping it. Im not sure i want spain to win the world cup because alot of countries might start copying this stuff. I don't get all the hype with this brand of football. I believe that when you don't have the ball you work to get it back but when you have it you swiftly move the ball around the field to stretch teams not this pedestrian slow build up.
|
|
|
|
Post by fletchabey on Jul 9, 2010 19:09:03 GMT
They don't quite deliver the full package. They play some excellent passing game with great technical ability and movement but they have a severe lack of killer instinct. If it wasn't for Villa I doubt they'd be in the final. With the players and team they have (which is like 70% Barca) they should be winning 4-0 and being the very best team in the world. In the end they don't really excite and almost nullify the other team with having vast majority of the possession. So if they arent thrashing them the whole games a little dull.
I have a theory they may actually struggle from a goal behind, so it'll be interesting to see them go behind in the final.
|
|
|
|
Post by johnboy14 on Jul 9, 2010 19:20:13 GMT
They don't quite deliver the full package. They play some excellent passing game with great technical ability and movement but they have a severe lack of killer instinct. If it wasn't for Villa I doubt they'd be in the final. With the players and team they have (which is like 70% Barca) they should be winning 4-0 and being the very best team in the world. In the end they don't really excite and almost nullify the other team with having vast majority of the possession. So if they arent thrashing them the whole games a little dull. I have a theory they may actually struggle from a goal behind, so it'll be interesting to see them go behind in the final. they always struggle from a goal behind. last two defeats were 2-0 usa and 1-0 switzerland, both games they were chasing. If holland were to get the first goal they'd simply lose with van bommel and de jong in midfield and there inability to change there approach. |
|
|
|
Post by ericactor1 on Jul 9, 2010 19:31:27 GMT
I share the same thoughts.
I don't like to see them play. They hold possession and do it quite well. Fair enough. Clap clap. But do they get any were? Ok they might break through and get a goal but that's all. Do they provide us with edge of the seat football no. Any team that plays them sits behind the ball and lets Spain do there thing and rightly so, Spain never seem to have enough bodies in the box they all seem to be willing to create but when it comes to finishing they can't.
The way I judge it is by asking myself, would I like to see Manchester United play like this week in week out? Or would I like us to remain playing attacking football, and counter attacking football when necessary. Yes !
As much as critics bum spain up, I really don't like there style. I want Holland to win because I am scared that if Spain win they will introduce a brand of football in which I really think would ruin the game.
|
|
Kozzie
United Bench Warmer
Posts: 634
|
Post by Kozzie on Jul 9, 2010 19:39:59 GMT
No. They seem scared to try and score because it could mean they lose possession. I dont think a team passing sideways for 70% of a match is fun to watch.
Its a bit like in fifa when you just pass it between your centre back to annoy you opponent. But I hate the people who do that.
|
|
|
|
Post by NR7 on Jul 9, 2010 20:00:17 GMT
I really liked the Spain from Euro 2008.. Both in the qualifiers and in the finals, they played possession football but were a real threat going forward.. It was entertaining to watch.. Right now, most of it seems to be passing the opposition to death.. Pointless possession without any incisiveness.. I agree with ppl saying that they are incapable of coming from behind & winning.. Should they chase a game, most likely will get caught out esp Puyol..
|
|
|
|
Post by irishredmufc on Jul 9, 2010 20:04:23 GMT
I agree Spain are quiet boring to watch with their tedious build up play, but they have 5 Barcelona players starting and Barca play the best football in the world at th moment. So whats the differenc? Simply Messi. Spain are without a man who can take on a man and beat him, and who can change a game. They have in Xavi, Iniesta and Fabregas 3 of the best playmakers in world football, in Torres and Villa 2 of the best finishers in the world but they lack that Messi style player to give them that pace about them. When do you ever see Messi walk around with the ball? Never. The key to pleasing football on the eye is that it is played at pace.
|
|
|
|
Post by fletchabey on Jul 9, 2010 20:29:28 GMT
Also i'm not sure why they play with both Busquets and Alonso, while leaving Fabregas on the bench. Who needs 2 holding players when you dont lose the ball that often.
|
|
|
|
Post by ginger18legend on Jul 9, 2010 20:30:07 GMT
The way I judge it is by asking myself, would I like to see Manchester United play like this week in week out? Yes!!!! If we can pass the ball even half as well as them I would be delighted! I do love the football United play. Pace on the counter. That is always our mantra. But that was only visible in 3-4 games last season. Mostly we were bereft of ideas. Didn't know how to break the opposition down. Invariably someone at the back would lump a long ball up to Rooney who was invariably playing lone striker! End result - no possession. Our passing was atrocious. I can safely say that last season was very difficult for me to watch. Games like Villa, Leeds, Sunderland, Fulham. We were dire. I know we had problems with injuries but that doesn't excuse our inability to keep the fucking ball. Those were the times I would hope and pray our 1st signing for next season would be someone from Barcelona's coaching staff. Back on topic - I'm quite undecided on whether I like watching Spain. At the moment I think I'll have to buck the trend and say yes, I do. I like how they always keep the ball rolling. Very rarely do you see them attempt direct long passes. And contrary to popular opinion on here, I dont think they are all that tentative going forward. You can always see Iniesta, Xavi and Alonso looking for that killer through ball which was very obvious in the Germany game. However, I remember Barcelona playing in a similar manner against us back when we beat them in the semis in 08. While they did have most of the ball they didn't really create any chances over the two legs and I remember being very critical of the media who were all praise for them. Xavi was running his mouth too saying they were the better team and that irked me no end. Conclusion - I do admire Spain and am jealous of Barcelona having all those playmakers. |
|
|
|
Post by ginger18legend on Jul 9, 2010 20:41:05 GMT
Also i'm not sure why they play with both Busquets and Alonso, while leaving Fabregas on the bench. Who needs 2 holding players when you dont lose the ball that often. I wouldn't call Alonso a holding midfielder per se. He's more of a deep lying playmaker like Carrick. Yaya Touré would be the classic holding midfielder. |
|
|
|
Post by johnboy14 on Jul 9, 2010 20:58:47 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by ericactor1 on Jul 9, 2010 21:06:47 GMT
I wouldn't like to see United play like this, teams would just get use to it and sit back and not bother attacking us.
I think it would also turn the Premier League next season into a boring league.
We were poor in general last season because of players loosing form, injuries and just generally a lack of creative players. I don't think because we had one bad season we should change our way of playing.
Our football has always been admired by many.
ATTACK ! ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK !!!!
|
|
|
|
Post by ginger18legend on Jul 9, 2010 21:14:03 GMT
I never said we should change our style of play. Merely suggested that we pass better than we did last season. Learn to keep the ball better.
And Spain didn't really play negative football. You only need to read the quotes of the German players and manager to see that.
|
|
|
|
Post by ericactor1 on Jul 9, 2010 21:22:46 GMT
No forgive me If I gave the impression that I think they play negative football, I just don't think they make enough opportunities for a team with 70-80% of possession.
I agree we need to pass better than we did last season, last season for me was the poorest I have seen United play in a long time. I think this is down to the lack of strength in the squad.
Holland have played very ugly in this world cup, I think if they spoil Spain's play we'll then they can win the world cup.
|
|
|
|
Post by fletchabey on Jul 9, 2010 21:51:35 GMT
Also i'm not sure why they play with both Busquets and Alonso, while leaving Fabregas on the bench. Who needs 2 holding players when you dont lose the ball that often. I wouldn't call Alonso a holding midfielder per se. He's more of a deep lying playmaker like Carrick. Yaya Touré would be the classic holding midfielder. True dat, but maybe the only difference is one has a better range of passing  but my point being that they sit deep, quite negetive midfielders. I find it odd as they arent a Italian side that wants to soak pressure.Good players they are but Fabregas is probably their most well rounded CM, at least he can score goals. Spain dont play 'negetive football' but i'd say thier line up almost suggests it, which is why i don't agree with it. i think theyre missing a fully fit and in form Torres too. Maybe he'd give them some teeth. Villa couldn't cut it as a CF against the germans. |
|
