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Post by mltezr on Feb 21, 2011 1:47:09 GMT
i actually dont mind cena. yes he doesnt have anything on shaun michaels, but then not many modern wresters do.
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Post by ericactor1 on Feb 21, 2011 17:55:40 GMT
Modern day wrestlers don't seem to be able to electrify the crowds like the ones from the olden days. Stone Cold Steve Austin only had to say one word and the crowd were going wild, like wise the rock. Those hair raising moments are few and far between in the WWE these days.
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Post by tommyred on Feb 21, 2011 18:25:46 GMT
Modern day wrestlers don't seem to be able to electrify the crowds like the ones from the olden days. Stone Cold Steve Austin only had to say one word and the crowd were going wild, like wise the rock. Those hair raising moments are few and far between in the WWE these days. It was a completely different era back then, when wrestling was the "in" thing. It's not entirely fair to compare today's wrestlers to them in terms of being "elecrtifying", especially when you factor in current handicaps such as the PG rating. WWE are going for a different audience nowadays. However, Cena is pretty electrifying. |
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Post by Bestie on Feb 21, 2011 18:56:56 GMT
Modern day wrestlers don't seem to be able to electrify the crowds like the ones from the olden days. Stone Cold Steve Austin only had to say one word and the crowd were going wild, like wise the rock. Those hair raising moments are few and far between in the WWE these days. It was a completely different era back then, when wrestling was the "in" thing. It's not entirely fair to compare today's wrestlers to them in terms of being "elecrtifying", especially when you factor in current handicaps such as the PG rating. WWE are going for a different audience nowadays.
However, Cena is pretty electrifying.Please be high right now. |
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Post by tommyred on Feb 21, 2011 19:04:17 GMT
Listen to the reactions he gets. That's what it's all about.
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Post by Bestie on Feb 21, 2011 19:49:52 GMT
Listen to the reactions he gets. That's what it's all about. High pitched screams of the 6-13 year olds and deep bellied boos from anyone over 16? When The Rock was face, he didn't get booed. Ever. Nor Hogan, nor Stone Cold. Even Triple H didn't get booed as a heel/face, and he did his best! Hitman could woo a crowd his way or turn them against against him with pure simplicity, HBK too. I haven't even mentioned the likes of The Undertaker. Cena, no matter how "popular" i.e. how much he is forced upon us, has never and probably will never have the kind of universal support that any of the true greats have had. Cena's execution is terrible at times, and he has had to be carried through the "great" matches of his career by far superior guys. |
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Post by tommyred on Feb 21, 2011 20:31:37 GMT
People don't know the meaning of the word carried. In many of Cena's matches his bumping and selling made the match. Look at the Umaga feud. He knows how to be the face in peril and get the crowd to buy into his predicament. It's what being a face is all about.
There were always going to be attitude era fans who resent WWE's new direction, and as the face of the company Cena is the obvious scapegoat. He proved as a heel that he would have fit just as well in the attitude era. He is talented and charismatic enough to make it any era. He's a great top face because while he divides the fans, he still gets mostly positive reactions, entertains the fans and sells a lot of merch, and even when he gets booed by a lot of people, it makes for a unique atmos.
Also the Rock got booed as a face plenty of times. It's what caused his last heel run. He got booed against Brock Lesnar at Summerslam 2002 when Lesnar was not only a heel but a newcomer.
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Post by ericactor1 on Feb 21, 2011 23:42:57 GMT
Cena was forced onto the younger fans whereas 'The Rock' and co won there hearts, I don't agree with you tommyred about not being able to compare the modern day wrestle to those of the olden days. The WWE had no other choice but to changed there targeting of the audience because they weren't producing the entertaining wrestlers they once did.
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Post by SAF_Legend on Feb 22, 2011 0:14:40 GMT
I don't watch wrestling at all, but for what it's worth...
"Do you smell what the Rock is cooking?!!!" (cue eyebrow raise)
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Post by Bestie on Feb 22, 2011 0:28:14 GMT
People don't know the meaning of the word carried. In many of Cena's matches his bumping and selling made the match. Look at the Umaga feud. He knows how to be the face in peril and get the crowd to buy into his predicament. It's what being a face is all about. There were always going to be attitude era fans who resent WWE's new direction, and as the face of the company Cena is the obvious scapegoat. He proved as a heel that he would have fit just as well in the attitude era. He is talented and charismatic enough to make it any era. He's a great top face because while he divides the fans, he still gets mostly positive reactions, entertains the fans and sells a lot of merch, and even when he gets booed by a lot of people, it makes for a unique atmos. Also the Rock got booed as a face plenty of times. It's what caused his last heel run. He got booed against Brock Lesnar at Summerslam 2002 when Lesnar was not only a heel but a newcomer. Cena can't sell. Sure, he puts on this anguished face but everybody knows that the next minute he'll be hoisting the opponent onto his shoulders and "AA"ing them (what the fuck happened to the real name [F-U] for that weak ass version of the Force-5?). Take 'Elmination Chamber' as a perfect example. CM Punk had Cena in a headlock with his legs. For about half a second Cena looked like he was struggling, then rolled Punk over and stood up. I called it from the moment Punk wrapped his legs round the guy's neck. It's shit. It's gotten to the stage where I don't bother watching any main event featuring Cena as know how it will end, with the over-hyped, over-rated, over-sold, second rate, Toys-R-Us monkey lover lifting his arms in victory. Cena can't hit the most basic moves convincingly, and he constantly relies on the ability of other guys to make him look good. I'm fairly sure that's what being carried is. How the hell can you say it's a good thing when a face (the hero) splits opinion and many, more than WWE would ever admit, fans of the business dislike him immensely? Also, on the subject, when the hell has Cena ever played a convincing heel, if a heel at all? Sure, he's been the 'babyheel', the rebel against he company et al, but that was a piss poor Austiin imitation. The Rock very, very, rarely got booed when he didn't want to be. The Rock/Lesnar feud you're talking about was essesntially to make Lesnar. "The Next Big Thing" angle was supposed to end up with Lesnar garnering fan support. Heyman was the real heel in that arc. The Rock got people on his back when and how he wanted them. I remember watching HBK gently coaxing a crowd into chanting "You Sold Out" to him. He fed it to them and it was so fucking smooth of him. Listen to the "pop" Cena gets when he comes out. Then listen to the pop Rocky gets just by the first "If Ya Smell. . ." - different level. |
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Post by Tatty on Feb 22, 2011 20:06:54 GMT
And people saying the PG era sucks, I disagree.
There's better talent in the 'E now than ten years ago.
Ziggler
Gabriel
Danielson
Kof Kingston
Alberto 'God' Del Rio
Jack Swagger
Morrison
Miz
CM Punk
Drew McIntyre
Trent Baretta
Dashing Cody Rhodes
Ted DiBiase jr
And when they bother to call them up from development, Alex Kozlov, Tyler Black and Consequences Creed, not to mention it looks like they've signed the to star from Mexico, Mistico. There's more better wrestlers than the Attitude era, it's now down to creative to give these guys a persona, a reason for fans to care. The next wrestling boom is around the corner, it's just a question of when Vince wants it to happen.
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Post by Bestie on Feb 22, 2011 21:52:21 GMT
And people saying the PG era sucks, I disagree. There's better talent in the 'E now than ten years ago. Ziggler Gabriel Danielson Kof Kingston Alberto 'God' Del Rio Jack Swagger Morrison Miz CM Punk Drew McIntyre Trent Baretta Dashing Cody Rhodes Ted DiBiase jr And when they bother to call them up from development, Alex Kozlov, Tyler Black and Consequences Creed, not to mention it looks like they've signed the to star from Mexico, Mistico. There's more better wrestlers than the Attitude era, it's now down to creative to give these guys a persona, a reason for fans to care. The next wrestling boom is around the corner, it's just a question of when Vince wants it to happen. I actually agree with you about the talent being there. I think both sides of the Monday Night Wars had excellent blend of talent and characters and writing to make it the boom time that is was. The bottom line writing in WWE, since the few years after the wind up of WCW, has gone to hell. Most of the staff writers, the real body guys, must have retired or left or something because there hasn't been a really innovative, draw the audience in, storyline for a least a couple of years. The Nexus storyline peaked my interest, but it petered out pretty quickly, though I wasn't that surprised. The only guy on your list I'd really disagree with is Miz, but only because his persona is the wrong way to push him. If Vince decides to junk the PG rating, get back to the core support, then wrestling could be unbelievable with some of the guys they have. Imagine Orton being allowed to properly kick the living shit out of people. Borderline pyschotic heel? He'd be perfect. EDIT: Kozlov should be planted front and centre, love that guy. |
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Post by tommyred on Feb 23, 2011 12:21:05 GMT
I'd love to continue this debate mate but you're reminding me why I avoid wrestling forums.  We'll have to agree to disagree. It's not worth arguing about! (unlike footy) |
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Post by Tatty on Feb 23, 2011 17:50:02 GMT
Trish Stratus back too.
Arguably the best womans performer of all time.
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Post by tommyred on Feb 23, 2011 18:55:11 GMT
Trish Stratus sucked in the ring, she was just hot.
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