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Post by Raf's Hairdryer Treatment on Jun 24, 2012 20:57:36 GMT
Hmm, buy James Rodriguez for 20 million, or pay Nani 30k more per week. I think I know what I'd like. I don't think Fergie will sell him as well. As somebody had said a week ago, the media need something to generate hits, so they cook up shit. Most likely he is just waiting for the Euros to finish and then make his decision. Think you're massaging the maths a bit RC. Rodriguez would be on about 60k over 4yrs = 32.5M (inc transfer fee) Nani on 180k over 4yrs = 37.5M In no way arguing that we should sell him though. We should start him as often as poss. Deal with some of the frustration and enjoy the quality. Best creative player we've got. |
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Post by ericactor1 on Jun 25, 2012 1:30:10 GMT
Nani not a world beater but he still is a good player, he's still youngish so he has time too improve.
I'm sure Gill will sort his contract out at the end of the summer.
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Post by redcase on Jun 25, 2012 4:34:00 GMT
I think you're missing the point rax. Rodriguez is nowhere near Nani's proven level. Nani is hitting the age where the best football of his life begins. And if holding on to him means we have to spend 5 mil more over 4 years, its a no brainer really.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2012 4:49:49 GMT
I think what the people talking about selling Nani are getting at is simply if he refuses to sign a new deal.
I'm not saying he will or won't, there has been paper talk over the last couple of years saying he wants to try his hand over sea's, but as has been pointed out all ready we had the same with Vidic and Evra, constant talk for about a year that they would leave, yet they're still here.
He deserves a good wage, and I'm hoping the club and him can come to an agreement and get him tied up for a good few more years yet, however there is no harm in planning for all eventualities and having a look at other quality, young, maybe available attacking mids/wingers just in case Nani is set to go is the smart move.
As I say, here's hoping he stays, he is awesome on his day, and even off his day still regularly provides goals and assists, but if (IF) he wants out then someone like Rodriguez would be a pretty solid replacement.
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Post by karthy on Jun 25, 2012 5:15:16 GMT
Young has been pretty shit in the Euros and Nani is been really good right up there, if anything this really should drive the point that we need Nani , proven in the league , gr8 skill , unplayable when on form and besides there is no guarantee that the new guy will settle quickly or settle at all and provide the same or better performance than Nani. Being wingers i expect Fergie to take the right call as he has done so many years.
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Post by redcase on Jun 25, 2012 12:13:14 GMT
How will Rodriguez be a solid replacement for Nani Daz? Are you saying he has the potential to be Nani's replacement in 2-3 years? You must be, because he will not be anywhere near as good as Nani for at least 2 years. He did provide 13 goals for Porto last season. But 0 assists? Not convinced on this guy yet. So I would not want to sell Nani, not in a billion years. Because all touted replacements for Nani will not nearly be as good as Nani for at least 2 years. And we cannot afford to be letting go of our best talents now.
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Post by redcase on Jun 25, 2012 12:15:00 GMT
By the way, my arguments are made on the sole assumption that Nani wants to stay, but the management are not agreeing to his wage demands. I am not considering the fact that Nani might want to move. I haven't seen any such intention from him despite what the papers say. If he does want to move, then oh well nothing we can do there apart from trying to convince him not to.
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Post by Sky Sports 1 on Jun 25, 2012 14:13:03 GMT
Rodriguez is a really promising player, exactly the type we'd go for with his potential. I'd love us to sign him but it'd be purely from the Ferguson perspective with him being too good for us to miss out on.
How we'd accomodate him is a different matter, it's hard enough leaving Nani or Young out of any game so it's not really a signing you can easily make. As others have said I think until Berbatov and Macheda are gone then perhaps our attacking options are sorted this summer.
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Post by mightyez on Jun 25, 2012 14:19:11 GMT
i hope we ship the 2 out macheda especially.
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Post by Raf's Hairdryer Treatment on Jun 26, 2012 22:53:15 GMT
I think you're missing the point rax. Rodriguez is nowhere near Nani's proven level. Nani is hitting the age where the best football of his life begins. And if holding on to him means we have to spend 5 mil more over 4 years, its a no brainer really. No I didn't. I understand perfectly well that selling Nani now would be idiotic, (unless of course he demands to leave.) Which is why I said: In no way arguing that we should sell him though. We should start him as often as poss. Deal with some of the frustration and enjoy the quality. Best creative player we've got. The only thing I disagreed with you on was the money: Hmm, buy James Rodriguez for 20 million, or pay Nani 30k more per week. I think I know what I'd like. It's not a simple matter of paying Nani 30k more a week which is what you made it sound like. Or another £5M over 5 years. Because that figure ignores the money we'd get for Nani, which would be well in excess of £30M, making Rodriguez cost next to nothing in comparison. |
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Post by jimbonda on Jun 27, 2012 0:12:14 GMT
the money we'd get for Nani, which would be well in excess of £30M unlikely |
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Post by ericactor1 on Jun 27, 2012 1:51:40 GMT
Just for arguments sake how many people here think Young is better than Nani?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2012 6:00:42 GMT
How will Rodriguez be a solid replacement for Nani Daz? Are you saying he has the potential to be Nani's replacement in 2-3 years? You must be, because he will not be anywhere near as good as Nani for at least 2 years. He did provide 13 goals for Porto last season. But 0 assists? Not convinced on this guy yet. So I would not want to sell Nani, not in a billion years. Because all touted replacements for Nani will not nearly be as good as Nani for at least 2 years. And we cannot afford to be letting go of our best talents now. I think he'd be solid because the limited amount I've seen, and the things I've heard, indicate this is a very good young player. Maybe I worded it incorrectly, not "solid" as someone who's going to replicate what Nani can do straight from the off, but someone who could in a couple of years, and could maybe surpass him. Making it clear I really don't want Nani to leave either, he's one of the best wingers anywhere in the world and if he played elsewhere he'd be the kind of player we'd be drooling over getting, especially if we were just getting drip fed his star highlights, as often happens with players playing abroad outside the other really big leagues. But looking at the possibility that he may refuse to sign a contract, for whatever reason, and exploring the possible replacements for him, is without doubt the correct thing to do. And given the choice of getting a 25 year old who is at Nani's level now, or a 20 year old who isn't there yet but could be genuinely outstanding in a couple of years and would be cheaper, I'd take the 20 year old. |
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Post by RedDevil'sAdvocate on Jun 27, 2012 8:02:48 GMT
Just for arguments sake how many people here think Young is better than Nani? In my opinion Young isn't even close to Nani. |
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Post by sleel6 on Jun 27, 2012 8:20:01 GMT
Re-signing Nani should be our number one priority right now. Top player on his day and if he can add consistency to his game would be behind only Messi, Ronaldo and two or three more.
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