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Post by Stew on Jan 3, 2019 14:30:04 GMT
Nothing has changed. Ed is still in charge of transfers. If it hasn’t worked for the last 5 years there is literally nothing to suggest it will now. I disagree with that. EVERYTHING has changed! We now have proper United men back at the helm, making the footballing decisions, and that is exactly what doesn't need to change. Ole and MP make the recommendations to Ed, he does the chasing (the weak link admittedly) and closing deals out. The recent changes at the club would be in recognition of all mistakes made including Ed's, he must be aware of his own failures over the last few year, so he will get more decisive and better at it. I really believe helping United back to the top of the game domestically and globally would be too big a pull for MP to turn down and having such a club legend and fan as Ole can only be and always will be a massive plus. Being emphatic about a thing doesn’t make it true. Six months ago Jose was told we weren’t going to buy Toby A because he wasn’t better than what we already had at the club. The person who told Jose that is still in charge of our transfers. All the United men in the world won’t change that. Billy Meredith and Jimmy Murphy could be co-managing the at present and it’s not going to change that fact one jot. |
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Post by . on Jan 3, 2019 17:47:23 GMT
It's a nice dream that OGS will continue to inspire our players and will bring through a fresh crop of inspired starlets who will set the world alight with their dazzling finishing while we climb the table. Maybe it will happen. I think we should keep the champagne on ice until we face real opposition. We haven't seen yet how OGS reacts to going behind early, or how he tactically shifts if we are getting done by the opponent's game plan. Against Newcastle it was plain as day that our right side was a mess and he didn't address it. When he brought on Alexis, he shifted him out to the left (ostensibly) and then let him drift, with (ostensible) rotation between the front players. Newcastle broke our lines 5 or 6 time through Atsu and had another few chances/headers created and wasted by Rondon. To be fair we also spurned a few good chances, and it could have ended up 4-5 with just a little bit better finishing on both sides. The players are reacting well to OGS' style and personality, but the real test will be how we react to our first loss under OGS. If he manages to keep getting wins and we end up top 4 or better, it will be interesting to hear what his vision is about going forward for the club , what he thinks we will need, and so on. Results matter and the table don't lie, so if he gets results and we're sitting pretty at the end of the season, why not?
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Post by geo on Jan 3, 2019 18:21:48 GMT
I disagree with that. EVERYTHING has changed! We now have proper United men back at the helm, making the footballing decisions, and that is exactly what doesn't need to change. Ole and MP make the recommendations to Ed, he does the chasing (the weak link admittedly) and closing deals out. The recent changes at the club would be in recognition of all mistakes made including Ed's, he must be aware of his own failures over the last few year, so he will get more decisive and better at it. I really believe helping United back to the top of the game domestically and globally would be too big a pull for MP to turn down and having such a club legend and fan as Ole can only be and always will be a massive plus. You're over-estimating Dick'eds self awareness. Possibly |
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Post by geo on Jan 3, 2019 18:33:38 GMT
I disagree with that. EVERYTHING has changed! We now have proper United men back at the helm, making the footballing decisions, and that is exactly what doesn't need to change. Ole and MP make the recommendations to Ed, he does the chasing (the weak link admittedly) and closing deals out. The recent changes at the club would be in recognition of all mistakes made including Ed's, he must be aware of his own failures over the last few year, so he will get more decisive and better at it. I really believe helping United back to the top of the game domestically and globally would be too big a pull for MP to turn down and having such a club legend and fan as Ole can only be and always will be a massive plus. Being emphatic about a thing doesn’t make it true. Six months ago Jose was told we weren’t going to buy Toby A because he wasn’t better than what we already had at the club. The person who told Jose that is still in charge of our transfers. All the United men in the world won’t change that. Billy Meredith and Jimmy Murphy could be co-managing the at present and it’s not going to change that fact one jot. No problem with your views and I am not saying you are wrong either, but the above highlighted text suggests you pay too much attention to media gossip. My views simply come from being pleased as punch with the recent changes to club personnel and I see no reason why things cannot continue to improve vastly with the set up that is now in place. We can fix it when it is broken! Lets give it a chance. |
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Post by Bestie on Jan 3, 2019 19:07:40 GMT
Being emphatic about a thing doesn’t make it true. Six months ago Jose was told we weren’t going to buy Toby A because he wasn’t better than what we already had at the club. The person who told Jose that is still in charge of our transfers. All the United men in the world won’t change that. Billy Meredith and Jimmy Murphy could be co-managing the at present and it’s not going to change that fact one jot. No problem with your views and I am not saying you are wrong either, but the above highlighted text suggests you pay too much attention to media gossip. My views simply come from being pleased as punch with the recent changes to club personnel and I see no reason why things cannot continue to improve vastly with the set up that is now in place. We can fix it when it is broken! Lets give it a chance. "media gossip" Fucking hell. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2019 19:21:33 GMT
Being emphatic about a thing doesn’t make it true. Six months ago Jose was told we weren’t going to buy Toby A because he wasn’t better than what we already had at the club. The person who told Jose that is still in charge of our transfers. All the United men in the world won’t change that. Billy Meredith and Jimmy Murphy could be co-managing the at present and it’s not going to change that fact one jot. No problem with your views and I am not saying you are wrong either, but the above highlighted text suggests you pay too much attention to media gossip. My views simply come from being pleased as punch with the recent changes to club personnel and I see no reason why things cannot continue to improve vastly with the set up that is now in place. We can fix it when it is broken! Lets give it a chance. You're naive if you think things have actually been fixed. As Stew has said Ed is still in charge of the day to day running of things, until that changes NOTHING will be fixed, not properly anyway. We're all pleased that he's got rid of Jose and we're playing decent football right now but he still has to find a permenant replacement in the summer, something he's not had a great track record of doing so far, add to that pathetic excuses for not signing players we NEED (Toby A being a prime example) and there you have a guy that isn't really fixing anything. Also its not media gossip if he's actually said it. |
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Post by GeniusCantona on Jan 3, 2019 21:04:03 GMT
There's no debate, we need a DOF. It will then be up to the DOF if they want to continue with Ole as manager. There is no way Ole can handle everything on his own even with the brief return of Phelan. Sir Alex was a one off, he was the football club and even under his watch the academy fell behind to city. We needed a DOF immediately after Sir Alex retired.
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Post by caino on Jan 4, 2019 8:19:00 GMT
theres still along way to go and theres still major changes needed at the club, but Ole hasn't put a foot wrong yet. of course there are greater challenges ahead and its not all goin to be smooth sailing, but while its good im enjoying the ride as its been so long since we have enjoyed a period like this.
I still don't expect to get Top 4 and im hopin for a good FA cup run.
theres plenty that can still happen to determine whether he is a viable full time candidate but im not going to worry about that just yet.
poch for me is still number 1 target
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Post by geo on Jan 4, 2019 10:00:20 GMT
No problem with your views and I am not saying you are wrong either, but the above highlighted text suggests you pay too much attention to media gossip. My views simply come from being pleased as punch with the recent changes to club personnel and I see no reason why things cannot continue to improve vastly with the set up that is now in place. We can fix it when it is broken! Lets give it a chance. You're naive if you think things have actually been fixed. As Stew has said Ed is still in charge of the day to day running of things, until that changes NOTHING will be fixed, not properly anyway. (1) We're all pleased that he's got rid of Jose and we're playing decent football right now but (2) he still has to find a permenant replacement in the summer, something he's not had a great track record of doing so far, add to that pathetic excuses (3) for not signing players we NEED (Toby A being a prime example) and there you have a guy that isn't really fixing anything. Also (4) its not media gossip if he's actually said it.(1) Yes, and most were pleased when he appointed Jose, so that's 2 things he has got right. I don't recall too much protestation when Van Gaal was appointed either (2) So, sound like you have already ruled Ole out then? (3) By that time justification could be found for not bowing to Jose demands for a quick fix in defence given he had already spent 80 million on it, Jose simply didn't have the required game plan. That is fact. (4) Your source please? I have been no fan of Woodward whatsoever, but he just might have turned a corner. It is highly likely the DoF will be appointed, I just don't think their is presently a need for it. I would prefer the current coaching set up remains in place and makes the footballing decisions. Things are clearly in the process of being fixed. There is nothing naïve about that. |
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Post by geo on Jan 4, 2019 10:03:11 GMT
theres still along way to go and theres still major changes needed at the club, but Ole hasn't put a foot wrong yet. of course there are greater challenges ahead and its not all goin to be smooth sailing, but while its good im enjoying the ride as its been so long since we have enjoyed a period like this. I still don't expect to get Top 4 and im hopin for a good FA cup run. theres plenty that can still happen to determine whether he is a viable full time candidate but im not going to worry about that just yet. poch for me is still number 1 target I think there is a good chance of getting top 4. I also think Ole is the man. |
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Post by caino on Jan 4, 2019 10:11:07 GMT
theres still along way to go and theres still major changes needed at the club, but Ole hasn't put a foot wrong yet. of course there are greater challenges ahead and its not all goin to be smooth sailing, but while its good im enjoying the ride as its been so long since we have enjoyed a period like this. I still don't expect to get Top 4 and im hopin for a good FA cup run. theres plenty that can still happen to determine whether he is a viable full time candidate but im not going to worry about that just yet. poch for me is still number 1 target I think there is a good chance of getting top 4. I also think Ole is the man. I think we have left ourselves which too much ground to cover. Chelsea and arsenal will slip, but so will we. im holdin judgement on Ole until tougher test but if he carries on flying then theres no reason he shouldn't be 1 of the top targets. on current form id rather him then Blanc and maybe Zidane |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 12:11:42 GMT
You're naive if you think things have actually been fixed. As Stew has said Ed is still in charge of the day to day running of things, until that changes NOTHING will be fixed, not properly anyway. (1) We're all pleased that he's got rid of Jose and we're playing decent football right now but (2) he still has to find a permenant replacement in the summer, something he's not had a great track record of doing so far, add to that pathetic excuses (3) for not signing players we NEED (Toby A being a prime example) and there you have a guy that isn't really fixing anything. Also (4) its not media gossip if he's actually said it.(1) Yes, and most were pleased when he appointed Jose, so that's 2 things he has got right. I don't recall too much protestation when Van Gaal was appointed either (2) So, sound like you have already ruled Ole out then? (3) By that time justification could be found for not bowing to Jose demands for a quick fix in defence given he had already spent 80 million on it, Jose simply didn't have the required game plan. That is fact. (4) Your source please? I have been no fan of Woodward whatsoever, but he just might have turned a corner. It is highly likely the DoF will be appointed, I just don't think their is presently a need for it. I would prefer the current coaching set up remains in place and makes the footballing decisions. Things are clearly in the process of being fixed. There is nothing naïve about that.Most were pleased with those appointments but all of those appointments turned out to be wrong so he hasn't got anything right at all. I'm not ruling Ole out at all, he's only had 4 games in charge ffs plus the club have said themselves they are working on a permanent replacement while Ole is in charge for 6 months. My judgement of Ole will be made at the end of the season, not after a handful of games Woodward hasn't turned a corner either, nor will there be a DOF appointed anytime soon imo, however if you think there isn't a need for one then you are seriously fucking deluded. Things are clearly in the process of being fixed  wheres your source for that? We could have replaced that dinosaur of a manager with Mr Blobby ffs and we'd still see an improvement because the players would stop sulking and actually play football. Other than a manager and 2 others working with him NOTHING in the club has changed. Christ you'd think the club had been taken over listening to your shite. |
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Post by Bestie on Jan 4, 2019 12:14:17 GMT
I think we have left ourselves which too much ground to cover. Chelsea and arsenal will slip, but so will we. Man you are going to look silly when we've won the League. |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jan 4, 2019 12:21:29 GMT
I think we have left ourselves which too much ground to cover. Chelsea and arsenal will slip, but so will we. Man you are going to look silly when we've won the League. Not going to happen with Liverpools unbeatable 4 point lead. Not like there are still 51 points to play for or anything. |
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Post by Diablo Rouge on Jan 4, 2019 18:49:16 GMT
Just looking back on the fixtures, in hindsight we'd probably have been better off losing the home game to Newcastle (purely on the basis as it was widely speculated José would lose his job that day had we lost). We subsequently dropped 14 points from the next 27 available before José was axed. Now it's anybody's guess what would or wouldn't have happened, but had we lost that day, we could well be right bang in the mix for the title right now 🤔
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wheres your source for that? We could have replaced that dinosaur of a manager with Mr Blobby ffs and we'd still see an improvement because the players would stop sulking and actually play football. Other than a manager and 2 others working with him NOTHING in the club has changed. Christ you'd think the club had been taken over listening to your shite.
