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Post by Rustin Cohle on Jan 3, 2019 10:45:59 GMT
Love Ole to bits but hard pass on making him our manager full time. I'll reconsider if either we win the CL, or if we amass more points than any other team in the league between when he joined and the end of the season.
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Post by Bestie on Jan 3, 2019 11:06:17 GMT
Di Matteo won the European Cup at Chelsea.
That's all I'm repeating.
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jan 3, 2019 11:09:36 GMT
Im guessing that "winning the CL" benchmark applies to all potential candidates??
I mean Ole already has a couple of managerial trophies to his name, so if he gets Top 4 and (or?) wins the FA Cup, for instance, then he should be in with a great shout to take the job full time anyway.
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Post by RAZ on Jan 3, 2019 11:16:19 GMT
top 4 is a must and i know we're all a bit on the hype right now. i admit,i didnt expect more than top 4. but seeing the table after yesterdays result i couldnt help but waste some thoughts on the idea of maybe even catching up and securing 2nd place. its highly unlikely but they are there,only pool looks out of reach right now.
if we continue to beat the coffin fodder,get good results against our direct rivals and some other results go our way we could be in for a hell of a season finish.
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Post by Stew on Jan 3, 2019 11:32:14 GMT
Im guessing that "winning the CL" benchmark applies to all potential candidates?? I mean Ole already has a couple of managerial trophies to his name, so if he gets Top 4 and (or?) wins the FA Cup, for instance, then he should be in with a great shout to take the job full time anyway. Winning the Champions League is a preposterously high bar. We’ve won 3 in our history and have a nasty as anything draw. If Ole gets top 4 playing the kind of stuff we’ve seen so far then he puts himself in the frame imo. Anything else is a bonus. |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jan 3, 2019 11:48:09 GMT
Im guessing that "winning the CL" benchmark applies to all potential candidates?? I mean Ole already has a couple of managerial trophies to his name, so if he gets Top 4 and (or?) wins the FA Cup, for instance, then he should be in with a great shout to take the job full time anyway. Winning the Champions League is a preposterously high bar. We’ve won 3 in our history and have a nasty as anything draw. If Ole gets top 4 playing the kind of stuff we’ve seen so far then he puts himself in the frame imo. Anything else is a bonus. Aye, I'd take just Top 4 really,especially given the shit start to the season. It would be the icing on the cake to see Ole win a trophy with us. But it shouldn't be a requirement given (nearly) every other manager, since Fergie, has been judged on whether they finish in the Top 4. |
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Post by geo on Jan 3, 2019 12:05:12 GMT
With the present set up I am not sure where the benefit of a DoF is. Maybe take a look at Utd in the transfer market for the last 5 years. As stated, with the present set up. We all know about the last 5 years only too well. |
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Post by Stew on Jan 3, 2019 12:30:38 GMT
Maybe take a look at Utd in the transfer market for the last 5 years. As stated, with the present set up. We all know about the last 5 years only too well. Nothing has changed. Ed is still in charge of transfers. If it hasn’t worked for the last 5 years there is literally nothing to suggest it will now. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Jan 3, 2019 12:48:06 GMT
Di Matteo won the European Cup at Chelsea. That's all I'm repeating. He did, albeit as the total antithesis to what Ole is doing here. That was the most defensive Chelsea side in a decade of defensive Chelsea sides. Obviously worth it to win the thing, but aside from the fact that they're both caretakers of underachieving clubs there isn't too much similarity. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Jan 3, 2019 12:51:04 GMT
Im guessing that "winning the CL" benchmark applies to all potential candidates?? I mean Ole already has a couple of managerial trophies to his name, so if he gets Top 4 and (or?) wins the FA Cup, for instance, then he should be in with a great shout to take the job full time anyway. Winning the Champions League is a preposterously high bar. We’ve won 3 in our history and have a nasty as anything draw. If Ole gets top 4 playing the kind of stuff we’ve seen so far then he puts himself in the frame imo. Anything else is a bonus. Top 4 would be a great achievement for Ole, no doubt. I just think we should be looking elsewhere even if he manages it. It's still early days of course, but I think what we've seen under him is much more of an indictment of how awful Jose (and the players) were doing than it is a case for the brilliance of Ole (and the players now). |
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Post by redcase on Jan 3, 2019 12:51:42 GMT
Honestly couldn't care what happens in 6 months.
I'm enjoying watching my club again.
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Post by geo on Jan 3, 2019 13:24:45 GMT
As stated, with the present set up. We all know about the last 5 years only too well. Nothing has changed. Ed is still in charge of transfers. If it hasn’t worked for the last 5 years there is literally nothing to suggest it will now. I disagree with that. EVERYTHING has changed! We now have proper United men back at the helm, making the footballing decisions, and that is exactly what doesn't need to change. Ole and MP make the recommendations to Ed, he does the chasing (the weak link admittedly) and closing deals out. The recent changes at the club would be in recognition of all mistakes made including Ed's, he must be aware of his own failures over the last few year, so he will get more decisive and better at it. I really believe helping United back to the top of the game domestically and globally would be too big a pull for MP to turn down and having such a club legend and fan as Ole can only be and always will be a massive plus. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2019 13:36:04 GMT
Nothing has changed. Ed is still in charge of transfers. If it hasn’t worked for the last 5 years there is literally nothing to suggest it will now. I disagree with that. EVERYTHING has changed! We now have proper United men back at the helm, making the footballing decisions, and that is exactly what doesn't need to change. Ole and MP make the recommendations to Ed, he does the chasing (the weak link admittedly) and closing deals out. The recent changes at the club would be in recognition of all mistakes made including Ed's, he must be aware of his own failures over the last few year, so he will get more decisive and better at it. I really believe helping United back to the top of the game domestically and globally would be too big a pull for MP to turn down and having such a club legend and fan as Ole can only be and always will be a massive plus. Ed is still in charge. If he is not giving the job to Ole full time, why would he listen to his recommendations? |
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Post by geo on Jan 3, 2019 13:42:59 GMT
I disagree with that. EVERYTHING has changed! We now have proper United men back at the helm, making the footballing decisions, and that is exactly what doesn't need to change. Ole and MP make the recommendations to Ed, he does the chasing (the weak link admittedly) and closing deals out. The recent changes at the club would be in recognition of all mistakes made including Ed's, he must be aware of his own failures over the last few year, so he will get more decisive and better at it. I really believe helping United back to the top of the game domestically and globally would be too big a pull for MP to turn down and having such a club legend and fan as Ole can only be and always will be a massive plus. Ed is still in charge. If he is not giving the job to Ole full time, why would he listen to his recommendations? Who said he isn't? Like most I guess that has still to be decided. Probably another reason, as I stated, in another post you wont see any January signings. They will be identifying targets for the summer. |
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Post by Tatty on Jan 3, 2019 14:26:18 GMT
Nothing has changed. Ed is still in charge of transfers. If it hasn’t worked for the last 5 years there is literally nothing to suggest it will now. I disagree with that. EVERYTHING has changed! We now have proper United men back at the helm, making the footballing decisions, and that is exactly what doesn't need to change. Ole and MP make the recommendations to Ed, he does the chasing (the weak link admittedly) and closing deals out. The recent changes at the club would be in recognition of all mistakes made including Ed's, he must be aware of his own failures over the last few year, so he will get more decisive and better at it. I really believe helping United back to the top of the game domestically and globally would be too big a pull for MP to turn down and having such a club legend and fan as Ole can only be and always will be a massive plus. You're over-estimating Dick'eds self awareness. |
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