|
Post by Stretty on Jan 26, 2021 15:47:54 GMT
Is this how it felt watching united in the late 80's? The uncertainty of if your manager is up to it or not. Only now we have seen the results of persistence in the face of uncertainty, thus making this go around even more aware of what is potentially at stake. I'm not completely sold, as i've alluded to before. But credit where it is due, Ole seems to be moving the team and his reputation in the right direction. i was thinking more of the early to mid 80s exiting to watch but unpredictable and Robson was our Bruno.
|
|
|
Post by Stew on Jan 26, 2021 16:01:19 GMT
Is this how it felt watching united in the late 80's? The uncertainty of if your manager is up to it or not. Only now we have seen the results of persistence in the face of uncertainty, thus making this go around even more aware of what is potentially at stake. I'm not completely sold, as i've alluded to before. But credit where it is due, Ole seems to be moving the team and his reputation in the right direction. The early 80s certainly. We rarely lasted this long in a title race back then, which is why I’ve decided to enjoy this ride.
|
|
|
Post by kstandhand on Jan 26, 2021 16:17:45 GMT
Is this how it felt watching united in the late 80's? The uncertainty of if your manager is up to it or not. Only now we have seen the results of persistence in the face of uncertainty, thus making this go around even more aware of what is potentially at stake. I'm not completely sold, as i've alluded to before. But credit where it is due, Ole seems to be moving the team and his reputation in the right direction. i was thinking more of the early to mid 80s exiting to watch but unpredictable and Robson was our Bruno. one thing is certain,you can look back now & really appreciate just how good Robson was,he would walk into this current side. Thank god he never signed for Liverpool or they would have been even more dominant than they were. Robson certainly influenced a very inconsistent side & probably more so than Bruno has had to do.
|
|
|
Post by JamBritRed on Jan 26, 2021 22:08:47 GMT
Is this how it felt watching united in the late 80's? The uncertainty of if your manager is up to it or not. Only now we have seen the results of persistence in the face of uncertainty, thus making this go around even more aware of what is potentially at stake. I'm not completely sold, as i've alluded to before. But credit where it is due, Ole seems to be moving the team and his reputation in the right direction. i was thinking more of the early to mid 80s exiting to watch but unpredictable and Robson was our Bruno. thanks for the clarification (and Stew). im an 84 baby, so anything pre early 90's is lost to the fog of youth. I remember the chatter about the early uneasy days of Fergie and i'm seeing some parallels to Ole. They always make it sound like he was for the chop for some time up until the FA Cup win. so i'm wondering how fragile was everything before he actually got his hands on some silverware, and are we really in a kind of parallel between then and now?
|
|
|
Post by Stretty on Jan 26, 2021 22:21:05 GMT
i was thinking more of the early to mid 80s exiting to watch but unpredictable and Robson was our Bruno. thanks for the clarification (and Stew ). im an 84 baby, so anything pre early 90's is lost to the fog of youth. I remember the chatter about the early uneasy days of Fergie and i'm seeing some parallels to Ole. They always make it sound like he was for the chop for some time up until the FA Cup win. so i'm wondering how fragile was everything before he actually got his hands on some silverware, and are we really in a kind of parallel between then and now? well I was there when we lost 5-1 at city in 1989 and the Fergie out song was being sung a lot that day.I also remember a home game in the same year where a banner was being held up in the K stand(iirc)saying “3 year’s excuses and still a crap team”. that FA cup win in 1990 definitely saved his job(that forest away game in the fa cup springs to mind as a major turning point in our history) and the rest is history as they say edit: here it is www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/looking-back-to-1990-fa-cup-third-round-win-over-nottingham-forest
|
|
|
Post by Stew on Jan 26, 2021 22:31:27 GMT
i was thinking more of the early to mid 80s exiting to watch but unpredictable and Robson was our Bruno. thanks for the clarification (and Stew). im an 84 baby, so anything pre early 90's is lost to the fog of youth. I remember the chatter about the early uneasy days of Fergie and i'm seeing some parallels to Ole. They always make it sound like he was for the chop for some time up until the FA Cup win. so i'm wondering how fragile was everything before he actually got his hands on some silverware, and are we really in a kind of parallel between then and now? Even in the darkest days, Fergie had the pedigree of breaking the Old Firm monopoly. And Scottish football was very strong back then so it was rightly looked upon as a serious achievement. So I remember most fans (certainly my mates and my family anyway) backing him because you knew he had the talent. Ole doesnt have that, so it’s much more in hope than expectation.
|
|
|
Post by dazjoe on Jan 26, 2021 22:36:28 GMT
i was thinking more of the early to mid 80s exiting to watch but unpredictable and Robson was our Bruno. thanks for the clarification (and Stew ). im an 84 baby, so anything pre early 90's is lost to the fog of youth. I remember the chatter about the early uneasy days of Fergie and i'm seeing some parallels to Ole. They always make it sound like he was for the chop for some time up until the FA Cup win. so i'm wondering how fragile was everything before he actually got his hands on some silverware, and are we really in a kind of parallel between then and now?Yeah it's more the early to mid 80's. From 1980 to 1986 United finished 2nd once, 3rd twice, and 4th three times. So time and again we were not that far off actually winning the league, just kept missing out. The late 80's saw finishes of 12th and 13th so way, way off the pace. He was under a lot of pressure, no question about that. It helped him that there was no European football so really, no difference in finishing 2nd or 12th; either way you'd won nowt and had nothing to show for the season. Sure you got more prize money the higher you finished but this was pre Premier League so probably talking no more than a few grand per place. If we hadn't won the FA Cup I do reckon he'd have been gone, regardless of what has been said since about the club always knowing what he was putting place and trusting him, etc.
|
|
|
Post by Bestie on Jan 27, 2021 0:02:14 GMT
i was thinking more of the early to mid 80s exiting to watch but unpredictable and Robson was our Bruno. thanks for the clarification (and Stew). im an 84 baby, so anything pre early 90's is lost to the fog of youth. I remember the chatter about the early uneasy days of Fergie and i'm seeing some parallels to Ole. They always make it sound like he was for the chop for some time up until the FA Cup win. so i'm wondering how fragile was everything before he actually got his hands on some silverware, and are we really in a kind of parallel between then and now? No. No we are not.
|
|
|
Post by aussiegraham on Jan 27, 2021 2:08:43 GMT
i was thinking more of the early to mid 80s exiting to watch but unpredictable and Robson was our Bruno. one thing is certain,you can look back now & really appreciate just how good Robson was,he would walk into this current side. Thank god he never signed for Liverpool or they would have been even more dominant than they were. Robson certainly influenced a very inconsistent side & probably more so than Bruno has had to do. And he did so with one arm! (mostly!)
|
|
|
Post by dazjoe on Jan 27, 2021 3:21:25 GMT
one thing is certain,you can look back now & really appreciate just how good Robson was,he would walk into this current side. Thank god he never signed for Liverpool or they would have been even more dominant than they were. Robson certainly influenced a very inconsistent side & probably more so than Bruno has had to do. And he did so with one arm! (mostly!) He was more influential that Bruno. He was immense. Sorry about derailing a thread about Ole, but I watched a few videos on Youtube recently, ex England players picking their dream 11, they all to a man picked Robson. Lineker was talking about playing against United for Leicester when he was young and he got told to mark Robson at corners. Said Leicesters manager told him not to worry, Robson hangs around the edge of the box, just be there to put him off in case the ball comes out. 10 minutes in United get a corner. Robson stood outside the box, Lineker goes over to him. Robson looks at him and says "What you doing"? "I'm marking you" "Oh really?" with that Robson steams into the box and puts a header just over, Lineker lying splatted on the floor. Few minutes later another corner. Same thing, Lineker goes over to Robson outside the box, Robson says "Still here then?" "Yeah, I was told you'd just hang around outside the area". Robson says "Yeah, right" and again, steams in, Lineker and the ball both end up in the back of the net and Robson's off celebrating. Half time, Leciesters manager tells Lineker "Just stay up front". Always makes me smile that, yeah lets put a skinny 22 year old kid to man mark Bryan Robson. Great management.
|
|
|
Post by redcase on Jan 27, 2021 4:58:13 GMT
And he did so with one arm! (mostly!) He was more influential that Bruno. He was immense. Sorry about derailing a thread about Ole, but I watched a few video's on Youtube recently, ex England players picking their dream 11, they all to a man picked Robson. Lineker was talking about playing against United for Leicester when he was young and he got told to mark Robson at corners. Said Leicesters manager told him not to worry, Robson hangs around the edge of the box, just be there to put him off in case the ball comes out. 10 minutes in United get a corner. Robson stood outside the box, Lineker goes over to him. Robson looks at him and says "What you doing"? "I'm marking you" "Oh really?" with that Robson steams into the box and puts a header just over, Lineker lying splatted on the floor. Few minutes later another corner. Same thing, Lineker goes over to Robson outside the box, Robson says "Still here then?" "Yeah, I was told you'd just hang around outside the area". Robson says "Yeah, right" and again, steams in, Lineker and the ball both end up in the back of the net and Robson's off celebrating. Half time, Leciesters manager tells Lineker "Just stay up front". Always makes me smile that, yeah lets put a skinny 22 year old kid to man mark Bryan Robson. Great management. Robbo is one of our best ever.
|
|
|
Post by kstandhand on Jan 27, 2021 7:01:12 GMT
one thing is certain,you can look back now & really appreciate just how good Robson was,he would walk into this current side. Thank god he never signed for Liverpool or they would have been even more dominant than they were. Robson certainly influenced a very inconsistent side & probably more so than Bruno has had to do. And he did so with one arm! (mostly!) Didn't he just,always popping his shoulder out.
|
|
|
Post by kstandhand on Jan 27, 2021 7:05:11 GMT
i was thinking more of the early to mid 80s exiting to watch but unpredictable and Robson was our Bruno. thanks for the clarification (and Stew). im an 84 baby, so anything pre early 90's is lost to the fog of youth. I remember the chatter about the early uneasy days of Fergie and i'm seeing some parallels to Ole. They always make it sound like he was for the chop for some time up until the FA Cup win. so i'm wondering how fragile was everything before he actually got his hands on some silverware, and are we really in a kind of parallel between then and now? Nothing like,SAF had a managerial pedigree that got him the job in the first place,he wasn't learning on the job.
|
|
|
Post by fergiegiveusawave on Jan 28, 2021 8:47:49 GMT
My position on Ole is simple and it's the same way I've felt about every manager we've had since Fergie. I want to see progress.
Whether people think he's winged the early part of this season or not is irrelevant. Even with last night's shitshow we're still in our best position in the league in 7 years. And if we pick up as many points as we did in the first half of the season in the second half and sustain some sort of title challenge, I mean I want to be there with 4/5 games to go thinking we could still realistically win it. If that's the case I will see that as progress and believe he should deservedly stay on next season.
Anything less than that though and I'd be asking big questions. If last night is the start of us getting found out and by the end of the season we're back to scrapping out for a top 4 place, he should go. If we get top 4 he absolutely won't, we know that but he should do.
|
|
|
Post by Stew on Jan 28, 2021 9:17:54 GMT
So for those who voted that Ole should leave the job, have you since changed your mind? Not so long ago I was insistent that he should be sacked but something has changed and things definitely seemed to have turned a corner so now I'm not so sure. This is a valid question. I think Ole has improved and I think the coaches are growing with them. Most of the time I can see the plan for the football we want to play and generally it’s better than anything we’ve seen since Fergie (very low bar admittedly). He’s also working under owners who aren’t concerned with backing him properly, so we see a transfer in Sancho which the entire football world expected to happen, including the player and manager, and he’s had to make do, which is criminal for a club of Utd’s stature. I wish he’d stop picking that turnip Lindelof and I wish he’d stop playing Rashford out of position to accommodate Martial but I feel more positive about Ole. Do I think he’s the best manager in the league? No. Do I think he’s growing on the job? Yes. This aged like a fine wine. Or Blue Nun. Yeah more like Blue Nun.
|
|