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Post by Stew on Jan 25, 2021 10:30:06 GMT
So for those who voted that Ole should leave the job, have you since changed your mind? Not so long ago I was insistent that he should be sacked but something has changed and things definitely seemed to have turned a corner so now I'm not so sure. This is a valid question. I think Ole has improved and I think the coaches are growing with them. Most of the time I can see the plan for the football we want to play and generally it’s better than anything we’ve seen since Fergie (very low bar admittedly). He’s also working under owners who aren’t concerned with backing him properly, so we see a transfer in Sancho which the entire football world expected to happen, including the player and manager, and he’s had to make do, which is criminal for a club of Utd’s stature. I wish he’d stop picking that turnip Lindelof and I wish he’d stop playing Rashford out of position to accommodate Martial but I feel more positive about Ole. Do I think he’s the best manager in the league? No. Do I think he’s growing on the job? Yes.
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Post by aussiegraham on Jan 25, 2021 10:39:56 GMT
I’ve been impressed with his work off the pitch, his man-management (mostly) and his insistence on getting us back to being more like the United us old ‘uns loved and miss so much.
Not so much his naive and, at times, one-dimensional tactics, or his poor use of the bench. However, I’ve publicly said more than once that all I’d wished for after the last 2 Managers was a return to attacking football that provided some excitement and highs, whether we were winning consistently or not. We now have that, and recently, consistency has crept into the mix too. Maybe he’s learning?
Previously I’d lost my passion and seriously struggled to even watch a game. I’m now up early (games are genuinely at very unsociable hours here) and looking forward with enthusiasm for the next fixture.
I honestly believe we’re only a couple of quality players away from being a force that, given the age of the squad, will challenge for a while. I hope Ole continues to grow and that it’s him that leads us to success. IMO, he’s earned the right to give it a go.
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Post by Bestie on Jan 25, 2021 12:23:21 GMT
So for those who voted that Ole should leave the job, have you since changed your mind? Not so long ago I was insistent that he should be sacked but something has changed and things definitely seemed to have turned a corner so now I'm not so sure. Still more negatives than positives overall - over-reliance on Fernandes, too passive in big games, defensive organisation, that fucking oaf as undroppable captain and we haven't actually won anything yet. This is a fun ride we're on. If we keep up a title challenge to the last day of the season and win one of the cups then fixing the rest of it can be done after the fact. But we have been here before. Cautious, cautious, optimism.
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Post by dazjoe on Jan 25, 2021 22:04:18 GMT
I'd pretty much echo Bestie.
I'm happier with the way things are looking now than they were 2 months no doubt. But just like I wouldn't write someone off after a couple of months, I'm not declaring Ole the saviour either.
Positive's are that he has gotten United playing some exciting stuff again, at times. The players seem happy and want to play for him. The real disharmony in the squad is gone. We're at top of the league for the first time in 8 years.
Negatives, in the big games we still look to shut up shop and defend. I still get a very strong "Great if we can nick a point here" feeling from the big games rather than "Yeah be sensible and compact but lets still go and win" vibe. Defence is poor, and his signings have question marks over them. AWB started great but gone off the boil (maybe just been over played, maybe needs a challenge) and is looking less like the long term answer at RB for me. Maguire? Well.... There is a real over reliance on Bruno.
He's clearly here for the long term as long as he keeps United top 4, so might as well enjoy the ride; but has a long way to go to convince me he's the real deal.
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Post by Stretty on Jan 25, 2021 22:14:07 GMT
So for those who voted that Ole should leave the job, have you since changed your mind? Not so long ago I was insistent that he should be sacked but something has changed and things definitely seemed to have turned a corner so now I'm not so sure. Still more negatives than positives overall - over-reliance on Fernandes, too passive in big games, defensive organisation, that fucking oaf as undroppable captain and we haven't actually won anything yet. This is a fun ride we're on. If we keep up a title challenge to the last day of the season and win one of the cups then fixing the rest of it can be done after the fact. But we have been here before. Cautious, cautious, optimism. more or less this lets see where we are at the end of the season
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Post by oscared on Jan 25, 2021 22:52:41 GMT
Yes I wanted Ole sacked at one point but he`s got the team more consistent which is critical in winning silverware and he`s got my vote at this moment in time, this is Man Utd we have high expectations because of the clubs history it goes with the territory.
Ole has done something to address the fitness in the last few seasons we were always dogged by injuries but so far this season weve not had many or is that because players now want to be part of a winning set up? amazing how physiologically players can cope with injury when they want to play, Ole has got to the point where we have to give him time and money now but he`s got to see that CB pairing is costing us big time and has to do something about it going forward.
Still some issues with subs and tactics but where are the other coaches in all this we cant keep making the same mistakes we are shit scoring from corners and defending set pieces is shocking especially Lindelof who boils my piss I cant stand the cunt.
edit...Ole is shit after that Sheffield United game,
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Post by juanveron on Jan 26, 2021 6:26:37 GMT
The issues I had/have with Ole’s management are quite simple: 1. We only have one game plan (counter attack). No plan B. 2. In-game management is very poor (reacting to other managers changing their tactics, using the wrong subs at the wrong time). 3. How incredibly poor we are defending. Especially set pieces. 4. Giving Maguire the captaincy for no reason. 5. Not applying ANY pressure on Ed and the Glazers when they’ve totally shafted him during 2 summer windows (summer of 19/20 leaving him with a paper-thin squad, summer of 20/21...).
Most of these things are still very relevant. Yes, we’ve been on a positive run in recent months, but it still feels so fragile to me - as if we’re somehow on top, rather than it being the most obvious thing.
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Post by kstandhand on Jan 26, 2021 7:45:32 GMT
So for those who voted that Ole should leave the job, have you since changed your mind? Not so long ago I was insistent that he should be sacked but something has changed and things definitely seemed to have turned a corner so now I'm not so sure. I've not changed my mind on him one bit & for many reasons that I am not going to go into again.
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Post by ratbag on Jan 26, 2021 9:17:59 GMT
Ole appears to be learning on the job, which is not ideal for a club that is supposed to be amongst the world's elite...
However, results have been going our way and I am happier with the way we are playing.
Having said that I don't really yet know how much Ole is actually learning...
He makes some very strange decisions (Maguire as Captain and undroppable) and sometimes no decisions at all (very late subs etc...)
I love the guy and am loving where we are right now but I also feel that it is a little fragile...
If we give the league a good run (even win it!) and maybe pick up the FA Cup then I will start to believe that he really does know what he is doing...and not some weird, happy coincidence of events...
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Post by Bestie on Jan 26, 2021 9:52:40 GMT
Fragile is exactly the word I was thinking of when I wrote that post. Everything about our success recently seems fragile. As if a couple of bad results could derail the entire run.
We've come through a bad run and responded with a good one. Everything's great when you're winning. I want to see how we deal with a spanner in the works.
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Post by ratbag on Jan 26, 2021 12:07:42 GMT
Fragile is exactly the word I was thinking of when I wrote that post. Everything about our success recently seems fragile. As if a couple of bad results could derail the entire run. We've come through a bad run and responded with a good one. Everything's great when you're winning. I want to see how we deal with a spanner in the works. If I'm honest, I'd rather not see that spanner...then maybe we might win something...
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Post by Bestie on Jan 26, 2021 13:39:29 GMT
Fragile is exactly the word I was thinking of when I wrote that post. Everything about our success recently seems fragile. As if a couple of bad results could derail the entire run. We've come through a bad run and responded with a good one. Everything's great when you're winning. I want to see how we deal with a spanner in the works. If I'm honest, I'd rather not see that spanner...then maybe we might win something... Fair. How about, 'I'm reserving judgement until we see the response to a spanner in the works' ...
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Post by ratbag on Jan 26, 2021 14:10:34 GMT
If I'm honest, I'd rather not see that spanner...then maybe we might win something... Fair. How about, 'I'm reserving judgement until we see the response to a spanner in the works' ... I'd still rather you kicked that particular can down the road... Edit: Get this season done with a trophy of some kind and I am prepared for a (very small) spanner next season to see how we do... or if it has to be this season to see whether we keep Ole then again, a small non-season destroying spanner would be perfectly adequate thanks...
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Post by JamBritRed on Jan 26, 2021 14:23:57 GMT
Is this how it felt watching united in the late 80's? The uncertainty of if your manager is up to it or not.
Only now we have seen the results of persistence in the face of uncertainty, thus making this go around even more aware of what is potentially at stake.
I'm not completely sold, as i've alluded to before. But credit where it is due, Ole seems to be moving the team and his reputation in the right direction.
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Jan 26, 2021 14:37:24 GMT
Agree with pretty much every word of what Bestie said. We look good right now, but it does feel fragile. This season is mental, it'll always have an asterisk (moreso than even last season IMO) due to the pandemic and how it has affected teams. Winning the title this season would be brilliant, I wouldn't celebrate it any less than any other season, but I don't think it's the same proof of pedigree that winning a title normally is. When Klopp gets his pre-season back, when Pep gets his annual new defender, and when things get back to normal, I still have my doubts that Ole will be able to keep up. But credit where it is due, he is doing very well right now - not just in results, but elsewhere too. His subs are now only infuriating around half the time, whereas a few months ago I was getting annoyed at him for that basically every game. Progress!
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