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Post by karthy on Jan 21, 2014 12:17:16 GMT
the only thing that surprised me in that vid was the fact that Macheda is still with us. other than that i know clearly why DM will not play him , too "self reliant" , individualistic, attacking, daring -- but yes i agree his end product needs working no doubt.
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Post by reefer on Jan 21, 2014 12:18:21 GMT
Sounds like Zaha has over performed  |
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Post by mocthezuma on Jan 21, 2014 12:20:15 GMT
This really sums up Zaha for me. A lot of tricks but no end product. And this is for the U21s. He seriously needs to work on his game. Some people think Nani is frustrating to watch. Imagine this guy in the first team. Ridiculous statement. You know who else had 'no end product'? Joe Cole, though he was always way, way, way over-hyped. But I'm talking about our Ronaldo. Ronaldo had a lot more end product for us in the first team from day one. He won us free kicks and corners and had good deliveries into the box and improved with every game he played. Zaha is nowhere near that standard for the U21s. Ronaldo debut for reference: Wins a penalty with his 4th touch. First cross finds Scholes and ends in a goal. That's end product. Are you seriously suggesting Zaha is as good and as productive as Ronaldo was when he arrived? That is a ridiculous statement. |
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Post by Bestie on Jan 21, 2014 12:28:15 GMT
Ridiculous statement. You know who else had 'no end product'? Joe Cole, though he was always way, way, way over-hyped. But I'm talking about our Ronaldo. Ronaldo had a lot more end product for us in the first team from day one. He won us free kicks and corners and had good deliveries into the box and improved with every game he played. Zaha is nowhere near that standard for the U21s. Ronaldo debut for reference: Wins a penalty with his 4th touch. First cross finds Scholes and ends in a goal. That's end product.
Are you seriously suggesting Zaha is as good and as productive as Ronaldo was when he arrived?That is a ridiculous statement. Not even a little. Where did I say that? My point is that flair players, especially young ones, may not have the best end product we've ever seen but that only comes with experience. Ronaldo developed into the best player in the world because we gave him his chance to play at the highest level. |
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Post by ratbag on Jan 21, 2014 15:11:19 GMT
Ridiculous statement. You know who else had 'no end product'? Joe Cole, though he was always way, way, way over-hyped. But I'm talking about our Ronaldo. Ronaldo had a lot more end product for us in the first team from day one. He won us free kicks and corners and had good deliveries into the box and improved with every game he played. Zaha is nowhere near that standard for the U21s. Ronaldo debut for reference: Wins a penalty with his 4th touch. First cross finds Scholes and ends in a goal. That's end product. Are you seriously suggesting Zaha is as good and as productive as Ronaldo was when he arrived? That is a ridiculous statement. Moc mate....you simply cannot compare the two at this point...apart fro the fact that nobody is saying Zaha is at Ronnie's standard consider the two situations... Ronnie - totally wanted and supported by the players and the manager and given all the encouragement to go out and do what he does best - massive confidence... Zaha - sidelined and marginalised, not trusted by the management or the coaching team - sent to the U-21s and then benched before the game stars....a very skilful and willing player with zero confidence... If Wilf was backed and given encouragement then you may well see a different performance - |
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Post by mocthezuma on Jan 21, 2014 15:27:06 GMT
Moc mate....you simply cannot compare the two at this point...apart fro the fact that nobody is saying Zaha is at Ronnie's standard consider the two situations... Ronnie - totally wanted and supported by the players and the manager and given all the encouragement to go out and do what he does best - massive confidence... Zaha - sidelined and marginalised, not trusted by the management or the coaching team - sent to the U-21s and then benched before the game stars....a very skilful and willing player with zero confidence... If Wilf was backed and given encouragement then you may well see a different performance - I wasn't comparing the two. The guy above was. He was saying that Ronaldo was similar in the beginning. I'm saying he wasn't. If anything, I'm saying they're not comparable. I would compare Zaha to Bebe, rather than Ronaldo. |
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Post by Stew on Jan 21, 2014 15:32:02 GMT
Moc mate....you simply cannot compare the two at this point...apart fro the fact that nobody is saying Zaha is at Ronnie's standard consider the two situations... Ronnie - totally wanted and supported by the players and the manager and given all the encouragement to go out and do what he does best - massive confidence... Zaha - sidelined and marginalised, not trusted by the management or the coaching team - sent to the U-21s and then benched before the game stars....a very skilful and willing player with zero confidence... If Wilf was backed and given encouragement then you may well see a different performance - I wasn't comparing the two. The guy above was. He was saying that Ronaldo was similar in the beginning. I'm saying he wasn't. If anything I'm saying they're not comparable. I would compare Zaha to Bebe rather than Ronaldo. I would compare you to Bebe. |
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Post by mocthezuma on Jan 21, 2014 15:35:03 GMT
I wasn't comparing the two. The guy above was. He was saying that Ronaldo was similar in the beginning. I'm saying he wasn't. If anything I'm saying they're not comparable. I would compare Zaha to Bebe rather than Ronaldo. I would compare you to Bebe. I would compare me to Bebe rather than Ronaldo when it comes to footballing attributes. And you, and Zaha, and the vast majority of professional footballers. |
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Post by Bestie on Jan 21, 2014 15:44:09 GMT
Moc mate....you simply cannot compare the two at this point...apart fro the fact that nobody is saying Zaha is at Ronnie's standard consider the two situations... Ronnie - totally wanted and supported by the players and the manager and given all the encouragement to go out and do what he does best - massive confidence... Zaha - sidelined and marginalised, not trusted by the management or the coaching team - sent to the U-21s and then benched before the game stars....a very skilful and willing player with zero confidence... If Wilf was backed and given encouragement then you may well see a different performance - I wasn't comparing the two. The guy above was. He was saying that Ronaldo was similar in the beginning. I'm saying he wasn't. If anything, I'm saying they're not comparable. I would compare Zaha to Bebe, rather than Ronaldo. Pretty sure 'the guy above you' was me, and I wasn't comparing Zaha to Ronaldo. I was using Ronaldo as an example of someone many said 'had no end product' but with first team experience and more importantly playing time, improved dramatically. |
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Post by Stew on Jan 21, 2014 15:50:37 GMT
I would compare you to Bebe. I would compare me to Bebe rather than Ronaldo when it comes to footballing attributes. And you, and Zaha, and the vast majority of professional footballers. I'm in work. Could someone please post one of the countless vids of Zaha in action for Palace, England and Utd pre-season, so this Ando-obsessed spanner can see how much of a fool he's making himself look? |
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Post by mocthezuma on Jan 21, 2014 15:54:18 GMT
I wasn't comparing the two. The guy above was. He was saying that Ronaldo was similar in the beginning. I'm saying he wasn't. If anything, I'm saying they're not comparable. I would compare Zaha to Bebe, rather than Ronaldo. Pretty sure 'the guy above you' was me, and I wasn't comparing Zaha to Ronaldo. I was using Ronaldo as an example of someone many said 'had no end product' but with first team experience and more importantly playing time, improved dramatically. There is only one player at our club who is comparable to Ronaldo to such an extent that you can use him as an example in a discussion. And it's Adnan Januzaj. |
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Post by Bestie on Jan 21, 2014 16:02:29 GMT
Pretty sure 'the guy above you' was me, and I wasn't comparing Zaha to Ronaldo. I was using Ronaldo as an example of someone many said 'had no end product' but with first team experience and more importantly playing time, improved dramatically. There is only one player at our club who is comparable to Ronaldo to such an extent that you can use him as an example in a discussion. And it's Adnan Januzaj. Yeah, except I wasn't comparing Zaha to Ronaldo, which I have explained for you. I used Ronaldo as an example of a player who improved with first team football after being labelled a one-trick pny with no cutting edge. Early, early Ronaldo = 'No end product'; 'One-trick pony and no final ball' --Plays first team football--> Ronaldo = Best footballer on the planet. Zaha = 'No end product'; 'Tricks but no final ball' --Plays first team football--> Zaha =  |
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Post by karthy on Jan 21, 2014 16:29:21 GMT
the thing that's been disturbing about Zaha apart from DM not giving him a place in the team or starting are the rumors that he ain't working hard enough and is already under the impression that he is done and arrived. I hope that is not true cos he still has miles to go and does need to putin the hard work and hone his skills.
Perhaps that's the reason why DM isn't featuring him - may be maybe not.
Must say tho he should huge promise with Palace and am still hoping that he can go onto show bigger better things with us
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Post by Bestie on Jan 21, 2014 16:42:02 GMT
the thing that's been disturbing about Zaha apart from DM not giving him a place in the team or starting are the rumors that he ain't working hard enough and is already under the impression that he is done and arrived. I hope that is not true cos he still has miles to go and does need to putin the hard work and hone his skills. Perhaps that's the reason why DM isn't featuring him - may be maybe not. Must say tho he should huge promise with Palace and am still hoping that he can go onto show bigger better things with us And those couldn't possibly be a plant by the club to cover the fact Moyes isn't giving him a chance because Zaha nailed the manager's daughter? HashtagTinhats |
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Post by IsaacMUFC on Jan 21, 2014 17:22:37 GMT
If Moyes put the same faith into Zaha he put into Adnan and the same faith Fergie put into Ronaldo he would shine imo.
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