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Post by Stew on Oct 12, 2013 9:02:01 GMT
And he's supposed to do this in 45 minutes? How is he supposed to get in to any sort of form, at all? The one time he does play, he does well, as well as anyone against West Brom and we haul him off. We then don't see him again and won't see him in the next match as he'll convieniently be jet-lagged. What I find incredible is we wait literally years for Tony to get some form back but throw this guy a half and say 'impress us or else?'
I wouldn't worry about feeling sorry for him for too long. He'll be leaving soon enough and will tear the shit out of whatever league he joins, which he did before we bought him. We can then look forward to Wayne deciding he wants to leave again. That'll be fun eh?
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Post by SAF_Legend on Oct 12, 2013 9:10:21 GMT
When Kagawa plays, there always is a difference. We play better. For example - when you play any tom dick and harry (Young, Nani, Welbeck, Fellaini, Rooney) where Kagawa would play (i.e. left or middle, or behind the striker), they tend to lose possession more often than Kagawa. Kagawa's ability to retain possession itself is deadly, in both offensive and defensive displays.
Considering we ask our players not to shoot from range, and we rarely score from range - we actually NEED someone of Kagawa's caliber. Someone who can thread passes in and has the creativeness to do so.
Is it really difficult to play Kagawa, Januzaj, Carrick, Cleverley / Nani / Valencia together? Rooney will still be playing - which makes everyone happy.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2013 9:49:02 GMT
How is Kagawa supposed to prove anything when he's had less minutes on the pitch than Anderson, Young and fucking Buttner? He needs to make a real difference everytime he gets on the field or he'll remain a substitute. I use Hernandez as an example. He's constantly benched and he's even behind Welbeck these days, but every time he gets a chance he makes the most of it, he'd be a starter in most premier league sides. Its not enough for Kagawa to have a decent half and just play solid, he needs to produce a head turning performance if he wants to get in the side. Im fed up feeling sorry for Kagawa to be honest. I don't mean to keep beating the same drum but how many of our current players have even scored a hattrick? Or even played more than one good game this season and yet the keep getting played. No he doesn't need to set the world alight every 15 minute cameo he has. He's clearly a class above most our players. Just fucking play him! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2013 9:59:44 GMT
If I had the talent Kagawa does (nearly there) and I found myself on the bench watching the likes of Ando, Nani, Welbeck or Young coming on ahead of me or I got the odd substitute appearance then my confidence and self belief would be rock bottom, so I'd struggle to impress being like that.
Thats how he must feel. Fair play to the lad he's not moaned and whined about it either unlike some.
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Post by jimbonda on Oct 12, 2013 11:11:29 GMT
Fair play to the lad he's not moaned and whined about it either unlike some. you lads are more than compensating for it, paolo. |
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Post by redcase on Oct 12, 2013 11:23:15 GMT
How is Kagawa supposed to prove anything when he's had less minutes on the pitch than Anderson, Young and fucking Buttner? He needs to make a real difference everytime he gets on the field or he'll remain a substitute. I use Hernandez as an example. He's constantly benched and he's even behind Welbeck these days, but every time he gets a chance he makes the most of it, he'd be a starter in most premier league sides. Its not enough for Kagawa to have a decent half and just play solid, he needs to produce a head turning performance if he wants to get in the side. Im fed up feeling sorry for Kagawa to be honest. By that I assume you mean score a hattrick ? Oh wait. He fucking did that. What has it got him? Fuckall. While shite like Young, Valencia and Giggs continue to play. |
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Post by redcase on Oct 12, 2013 11:27:23 GMT
I find it fucking stupid that the former player of the season in the Bundesliga, a league far better than the BPL technically, has to prove himself again at Manchester United. Did we not buy him because he already proved himself worthy ? Fuck off with that shit. Day in day out we have Anderson, Giggs, Valencia and Young proving they are not worthy of their spot in the team, and Kagawa has to score hattricks in 45 minutes to get a look in . Fucks sake what a load of shite. The fact that those players are NOT doing well should be enough to get this guy in the squad. When something does not work , you fucking fix it, not persist in the hope that it will repair itself.
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Post by jimbonda on Oct 12, 2013 11:36:36 GMT
redcase - FUCKING annoyed.
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Post by redcase on Oct 12, 2013 11:45:58 GMT
redcase - FUCKING annoyed. Does that mean you are FUCKING annoyed with me? Or am I FUCKING annoyed with somebody?  |
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Post by jimbonda on Oct 12, 2013 11:52:42 GMT
I was reflecting on how many times you said fuck in your two posts above
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2013 12:00:05 GMT
I find it fucking stupid that the former player of the season in the Bundesliga, a league far better than the BPL technically, has to prove himself again at Manchester United. Did we not buy him because he already proved himself worthy ? Fuck off with that shit. Day in day out we have Anderson, Giggs, Valencia and Young proving they are not worthy of their spot in the team, and Kagawa has to score hattricks in 45 minutes to get a look in . Fucks sake what a load of shite. The fact that those players are NOT doing well should be enough to get this guy in the squad. When something does not work , you fucking fix it, not persist in the hope that it will repair itself. No, no, NO, You're NOT allowed to ask questions of Moyes team selection policy.... NO!! BAD BAD. |
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Post by jimbonda on Oct 12, 2013 12:04:54 GMT
course he can, carbon, soft lad.
there's questioning and offering your own opinions and discussions. that's why everyone signed up. then there's being a keyboard warrior, and you lad are the poster boy for the stereotypical man yoo internet twerp.
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Post by Stew on Oct 12, 2013 12:52:22 GMT
He's also a moderator, which people would do well to remember.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2013 13:39:26 GMT
course he can, carbon, soft lad. there's questioning and offering your own opinions and discussions. that's why everyone signed up. then there's being a keyboard warrior, and you lad are the poster boy for the stereotypical man yoo internet twerp. Boring, Yawn |
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Post by aki on Oct 12, 2013 13:57:54 GMT
Kagawa is not kind of footballer, who can make instant impact himself when he gets on the pitch. How he performs is reflected on the team performance. His role is more than supporting player, he sprays the ball well, retains possession, creates spaces and get other players on dangerous positions to score with his creativity. He is kind of mixture of Iniesta and Xavi. Someone has portrayed Kagawa very well as a moving wall, which means if a player want to move forward between defense bodies, what he has to do is pass to Kagawa and move to the empty space, he twill find his ball there to score or cross. The problem of Kagawa is, our player and coach does not put faith on this guy, because they think Kagawa is too light weight, not fit enough to deal with big players. And beside, individual skill >> team playing, that's what people think at ManUtd IMO. So no matter where Kagawa positions himself, he will not receive the ball, and even if someone passes to him, that guy will not run forward to receive the ball, but stands still and claims the return ball to shoot. You can compare our game playing with BVB's tactics. BVB's players exploit the empty spaces very well, they keep running into spaces no matter how small it is. One touch football and running is the key. And for fuck sake, please do not tell me that Kagawa can not run. At ManUtd he can not run much, because we are too immobile, he has to keep his position well. I once spotted, when Kagawa drifted in the middle, DM ran on the field and shouted "Stay on the line" and show that gesture to Nani and Kagawa.
Compairing to Rooney, you guys can tell me that Roo has archived more, carried this team on his shoulder for 10 years, scored 200 goals. But he personally has stirred this club a lot in years also, and please do not forget, how many times has he been choses as MVP of the club? And did we moan about lacking of creativity in recent years, although Rooney has been on the field whole time and people claim that he is the most intelligent footballer of England all time? Rooney is for me a true mercenary, as long as you pays him well, he fight for you, and if somedays he does not feel good, he will moan about everything of the club. In the old days, footballer played where the coach point, not otherwise. Rooney asked to leave years ago, because lacked of ambition with poor team, blah blah blah. When RVP came, he asked to leave again, because RVP is too good to steal his main striker position. What the heck? And now he is trying his best as you say, but not for the club, look at the recent results, he is doing that for himself, to look forward a nice offer from Chelsea, Arsenal, a guarantee that his salary does not get dropped in next 5 years. Care for the club? For Christ sake, even if we delegate, but still pay him 300k per week in next 5 years, why the fuck does he care. If he does love this club like Giggs, Schole, Chicharito, he would have not caused any trouble. This is the reason why SAF bought Kagawa, to kick him out with a more worthy replacement.
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