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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2013 14:14:46 GMT
Fair play to the lad he's not moaned and whined about it either unlike some. you lads are more than compensating for it, paolo. Then our point is being noted  He's also a moderator, which people would do well to remember. Stew the swell is big enough as it is, don't try to inflate it more |
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Post by johnboy14 on Oct 12, 2013 15:18:30 GMT
Kagawa is not kind of footballer, who can make instant impact himself when he gets on the pitch. How he performs is reflected on the team performance. His role is more than supporting player, he sprays the ball well, retains possession, creates spaces and get other players on dangerous positions to score with his creativity. He is kind of mixture of Iniesta and Xavi. Someone has portrayed Kagawa very well as a moving wall, which means if a player want to move forward between defense bodies, what he has to do is pass to Kagawa and move to the empty space, he twill find his ball there to score or cross. The problem of Kagawa is, our player and coach does not put faith on this guy, because they think Kagawa is too light weight, not fit enough to deal with big players. And beside, individual skill >> team playing, that's what people think at ManUtd IMO. So no matter where Kagawa positions himself, he will not receive the ball, and even if someone passes to him, that guy will not run forward to receive the ball, but stands still and claims the return ball to shoot. You can compare our game playing with BVB's tactics. BVB's players exploit the empty spaces very well, they keep running into spaces no matter how small it is. One touch football and running is the key. And for fuck sake, please do not tell me that Kagawa can not run. At ManUtd he can not run much, because we are too immobile, he has to keep his position well. I once spotted, when Kagawa drifted in the middle, DM ran on the field and shouted "Stay on the line" and show that gesture to Nani and Kagawa. Compairing to Rooney, you guys can tell me that Roo has archived more, carried this team on his shoulder for 10 years, scored 200 goals. But he personally has stirred this club a lot in years also, and please do not forget, how many times has he been choses as MVP of the club? And did we moan about lacking of creativity in recent years, although Rooney has been on the field whole time and people claim that he is the most intelligent footballer of England all time? Rooney is for me a true mercenary, as long as you pays him well, he fight for you, and if somedays he does not feel good, he will moan about everything of the club. In the old days, footballer played where the coach point, not otherwise. Rooney asked to leave years ago, because lacked of ambition with poor team, blah blah blah. When RVP came, he asked to leave again, because RVP is too good to steal his main striker position. What the heck? And now he is trying his best as you say, but not for the club, look at the recent results, he is doing that for himself, to look forward a nice offer from Chelsea, Arsenal, a guarantee that his salary does not get dropped in next 5 years. Care for the club? For Christ sake, even if we delegate, but still pay him 300k per week in next 5 years, why the fuck does he care. If he does love this club like Giggs, Schole, Chicharito, he would have not caused any trouble. This is the reason why SAF bought Kagawa, to kick him out with a more worthy replacement. I don't think fergie bought Kagawa to replace Rooney, he was still playing wide left under fergie. The problem as I see it is, to accomodate RVP, Kagawa and Rooney in the team, the entire shape of the team needs changing to get the best out of all three. Its one of the main reasons why I miss Querioz, he was very much the tactical brains when we played with 3 centre forwards. On a side note this idea supporters still harbor about players and loyalty doesn't exist anymore. Players like Giggs and Scholes are few and far between these days, it helps they both supported the club and have a deep affection for it, this cannot be said for Rooney, he never supported united as a boy, I do smile when I hear people calling footballers mercenaries and money grabbing bastards, like there a bastion of morality themselves. These are the same people who'd leave there own jobs in a heart beat if they got a better deal, even if that company had paid a fortune to train you. Most footballers have 10 or 12 years at the top and you can't blame them for getting as much as they can. |
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Post by Kamilo on Oct 12, 2013 18:36:31 GMT
Anyone ever think Ferguson wasnt expecting to get RVP at the time he bought Kagawa?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2013 18:42:55 GMT
Anyone ever think Ferguson wasnt expecting to get RVP at the time he bought Kagawa? That's a very good question to be fair. It was probably first decided to play Roonay up top with Kagawa behind but RVP changed all that |
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Post by Bestie on Oct 12, 2013 19:03:18 GMT
So how did C*nt (also, Townsend) do tonight then lads? I was watching the Heineken Cup. He was ok, scored the 1st goal, wasn't outstanding. Townsend was MOTM for me. He was brilliant. Amazing what happens when a manager takes a risk with a player, ahem...KAGAWA. In that case I reaffirm what I said yesterday evening. I would very much like us to sign Townsend please. |
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Post by Stew on Oct 12, 2013 19:16:50 GMT
Why would we sign Townsend when we already have Zah-
Oh yeah. Whoops.
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Post by Chelsea Rentboy on Oct 12, 2013 19:32:04 GMT
Anyone ever think Ferguson wasnt expecting to get RVP at the time he bought Kagawa? Nope. The way we operate is that we would have watched potential targets for at least a year beforehand, regardless. Both Kagawa and van Persie would have been on our radar and Fergie would have known that the possibility was there that we could get both, for sure. |
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Post by aki on Oct 12, 2013 19:48:41 GMT
Anyone ever think Ferguson wasnt expecting to get RVP at the time he bought Kagawa? Nope. The way we operate is that we would have watched potential targets for at least a year beforehand, regardless. Both Kagawa and van Persie would have been on our radar and Fergie would have known that the possibility was there that we could get both, for sure. Certainly along with the way SAF treated Rooney last season, there would be a switch of Rooney to midfield, or else Rooney would be sold. SAF promised that Kagawa would play more and people will see that he would be an excellent asset to our team, Gary Neville has spoken nicely about Kagawa also, high hope for the lad. And now Rooney became cocky, open to leave, RVP dropped form, Kagawa rotten on the bench who will score and how can he score? |
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Post by sleel6 on Oct 13, 2013 6:47:28 GMT
When Kagawa plays, there always is a difference. We play better. For example - when you play any tom dick and harry (Young, Nani, Welbeck, Fellaini, Rooney) where Kagawa would play (i.e. left or middle, or behind the striker), they tend to lose possession more often than Kagawa. Kagawa's ability to retain possession itself is deadly, in both offensive and defensive displays. Considering we ask our players not to shoot from range, and we rarely score from range - we actually NEED someone of Kagawa's caliber. Someone who can thread passes in and has the creativeness to do so. Is it really difficult to play Kagawa, Januzaj, Carrick, Cleverley / Nani / Valencia together? Rooney will still be playing - which makes everyone happy. How is Rooney just some 'Tom, dick and harry'? |
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Post by Bestie on Oct 13, 2013 9:47:34 GMT
He's certainly a dick, put it that way.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2013 18:39:52 GMT
When Kagawa plays, there always is a difference. We play better. For example - when you play any tom dick and harry (Young, Nani, Welbeck, Fellaini, Rooney) where Kagawa would play (i.e. left or middle, or behind the striker), they tend to lose possession more often than Kagawa. Kagawa's ability to retain possession itself is deadly, in both offensive and defensive displays. Considering we ask our players not to shoot from range, and we rarely score from range - we actually NEED someone of Kagawa's caliber. Someone who can thread passes in and has the creativeness to do so. Is it really difficult to play Kagawa, Januzaj, Carrick, Cleverley / Nani / Valencia together? Rooney will still be playing - which makes everyone happy. How is Rooney just some 'Tom, dick and harry'? Aye and Tom is Latin for "bellend", while Harry is Hebrew for wanker. What are the odds! |
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Post by sleel6 on Oct 14, 2013 7:57:04 GMT
He's certainly a dick, put it that way. Fair play. He's hardly an average player though like some on here seem to suggest. |
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Post by SAF_Legend on Oct 14, 2013 9:03:09 GMT
He's certainly a dick, put it that way. Fair play. He's hardly an average player though like some on here seem to suggest. "Tom, dick and harry" denotes "anyone" - meaning we're shoe-horning anyone anywhere with a mixture of midfielders, not relying on their performance / strengths, but based on... randomness. Fellaini playing behind RvP for example. Or Welbeck on the flanks and him having no idea "why". Or Giggs starting matches. But yes, Rooney is an absolute dick, and isn't World-class as some might suggest. He is a great* player, but that's just about it. Nothing more, but on certain days when not bothered / not World Cup year, struggles to be Good*. * World Class > Great > Good > Average > Below Average > Poor |
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Post by NR7 on Oct 14, 2013 12:38:03 GMT
Fair play. He's hardly an average player though like some on here seem to suggest. "Tom, dick and harry" denotes "anyone" - meaning we're shoe-horning anyone anywhere with a mixture of midfielders, not relying on their performance / strengths, but based on... randomness. Fellaini playing behind RvP for example. Or Welbeck on the flanks and him having no idea "why". Or Giggs starting matches. But yes, Rooney is an absolute dick, and isn't World-class as some might suggest. He is a great* player, but that's just about it. Nothing more, but on certain days when not bothered / not World Cup year, struggles to be Good*. * World Class > Great > Good > Average > Below Average > Poor >>>> Angry/Confused/bitching Rooney |
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Post by NR7 on Oct 14, 2013 13:05:15 GMT
He is a self serving disgraceful prima donna who has become far more trouble than is worth. One moment he is "enjoying his new midfield role" presumably coz he is involved at all times, then that is the very reason he is disgruntled. All this shit when he played CM 4 or 5 times last season.
I honestly can't recall a single player been with any club for 10 yrs and show such blatant disrespect for both club and its fans. "I think I deserve to play as forward" sums this cunt up to a tee. Simple solution as far as I'm concerned: boot the cunt out and retain players who ACTUALLY admire,respect the club and consider it an honor playing for us. Keep bending over backwards for potato and risk losing both kags and chica rather than only one who desperately wants to leave.
He used to be very good and on the precipice of world class but that was ages ago. Judging Roo the No 10 for United and a no 10 in isolation is vastly different. He has helped paper over our MF cracks for a while now but that does not detract that he is ordinary in the hole. Compare him with Ozil, Iniesta, Mata, Silva and Isco; clearly he is not a patch on any of them in terms of creativity or playmaking abilities. Hopefully, come the next season roocunt is a thing of the past.
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