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Post by _ on Jan 26, 2014 14:38:21 GMT
Great list but which one would you say overall top manager? Klopp is a good manager, but he won't be winning much. Not in the Bundesliga anyway. Well he has already proven his case and let's face it clubs in Germany end up selling their best players to Bayern or others. However, the similarity between him and Fergie is not just age and potential but the latter was at Aberdeen where his options were limited. Klopp like any manager at that stage needs a big club for next stage in career development. Decision time who's your top man?
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Post by caino on Jan 26, 2014 17:11:06 GMT
Yes, won the fa cup with a poor side and did it playing great football and seams to be doing very well with Everton. The way he gets his teams playing is the right way to play. He will move on to a big club after Everton!
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Post by redcase on Jan 26, 2014 17:29:45 GMT
Klopp is a good manager, but he won't be winning much. Not in the Bundesliga anyway. Well he has already proven his case and let's face it clubs in Germany end up selling their best players to Bayern or others. However, the similarity between him and Fergie is not just age and potential but the latter was at Aberdeen where his options were limited. Klopp like any manager at that stage needs a big club for next stage in career development. Decision time who's your top man? Diego Simeone/Jurgen Klopp. I cannot differentiate betweem the two.
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Post by reefer on Jan 26, 2014 18:10:20 GMT
Diego Simeone. What the guy has done at Atleti is nothing short of magnificent. Mauricio Pocchetino. Great coach but his trajectory depends on where he moves after Southampton IMO. Has to make the right call there. Manuel Pellegrini. He was very good at Real and Malaga. Extremely intelligent and focuses on attacking and flair football. With the funds available to him at City he will take some stopping in England. Jose Mourinho, merely because you can't not include Mourinho. Cesare Prandelli. Just because he has got Balotelli focused completely when he plays for Italy. That's no mean feat. He was also excellent when he was at Fiorentina and has done wonderful things with Italy. Also a very dignified coach. Pep Guardiola. Son of a bitch just went and inherited Bayern Munich and added Gotze and Lewy to his squad. Barring a minor miracle I do not see any other team winning anything in Germany for the next 5 years at least. Hate the bastard but he will be winning a lot in due time. Frank De Boer. Brilliant tactician and technician. He needs to move from Ajax. I suspect he will too. Proper Dutch maestro. Great list, I'm liking Frank De Boer. Im interested in what he can do away from Ajax and think he may be the dark horse. I also like Klopp and if he came to us I would be well made up... However Im going for Pep based on what he has inherited in Bayern Munich, like you said he probably has half of the next 10 years covered....
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Post by redcase on Jan 26, 2014 18:25:37 GMT
Yes, won the fa cup with a poor side and did it playing great football and seams to be doing very well with Everton. The way he gets his teams playing is the right way to play. He will move on to a big club after Everton! Great football that got them relegated after being in relegation battles for 4 years. If he hadn't fluked that FA Cup you wouldn't mention his name.
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Post by redcase on Jan 26, 2014 18:28:32 GMT
Diego Simeone. What the guy has done at Atleti is nothing short of magnificent. Mauricio Pocchetino. Great coach but his trajectory depends on where he moves after Southampton IMO. Has to make the right call there. Manuel Pellegrini. He was very good at Real and Malaga. Extremely intelligent and focuses on attacking and flair football. With the funds available to him at City he will take some stopping in England. Jose Mourinho, merely because you can't not include Mourinho. Cesare Prandelli. Just because he has got Balotelli focused completely when he plays for Italy. That's no mean feat. He was also excellent when he was at Fiorentina and has done wonderful things with Italy. Also a very dignified coach. Pep Guardiola. Son of a bitch just went and inherited Bayern Munich and added Gotze and Lewy to his squad. Barring a minor miracle I do not see any other team winning anything in Germany for the next 5 years at least. Hate the bastard but he will be winning a lot in due time. Frank De Boer. Brilliant tactician and technician. He needs to move from Ajax. I suspect he will too. Proper Dutch maestro. Great list, I'm liking Frank De Boer. Im interested in what he can do away from Ajax and think he may be the dark horse. I also like Klopp and if he came to us I would be well made up... However Im going for Pep based on what he has inherited in Bayern Munich, like you said he probably has half of the next 10 years covered.... Yes definitely, he will definitely win more trophies than anybody on that list. However if Simeone wins La Liga with Atleti he should win the best manager award at nest year's Ballon D'Or ceremony. Winning La Liga in that biased league is absolutely superb.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 19:55:32 GMT
Moyes.
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Post by caino on Jan 26, 2014 20:21:22 GMT
Yes, won the fa cup with a poor side and did it playing great football and seams to be doing very well with Everton. The way he gets his teams playing is the right way to play. He will move on to a big club after Everton! Great football that got them relegated after being in relegation battles for 4 years. If he hadn't fluked that FA Cup you wouldn't mention his name. Like people have stated Klopp has been relegated before and he's been classed as one the next best managers. Fluked ? He turned Moyes' Everton over and rightly deserved beat city they were the better team. Everton now are playing some of the best football in the league and look where they are in the league. Liverpool are supposedly having a brilliant season but Everton have matched them and also above us.
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Post by johnboy14 on Jan 26, 2014 22:10:45 GMT
Klopp is a personal favourite. He's a quarky character but the football his team play is brillant. His very Aggressive style of play is a perfect blend of tactical know how and brillant man management. You know he's a top coach because the majority of his players weren't world names but he gets so much out of them and importantly he improves players and proves that the proper use of players can reap huge rewards. Mourinho has probably been the manager of the decade in terms of trophies, especially his successes at porto and inter impressed me the most.
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Post by Ole's Red Whiteknight03 Army on Jan 27, 2014 5:29:28 GMT
Klopp is a personal favourite. He's a quarky character but the football his team play is brillant. His very Aggressive style of play is a perfect blend of tactical know how and brillant man management. You know he's a top coach because the majority of his players weren't world names but he gets so much out of them and importantly he improves players and proves that the proper use of players can reap huge rewards. Mourinho has probably been the manager of the decade in terms of trophies, especially his successes at porto and inter impressed me the most. Agreed. Those two have actually built sides into champions but haven't been able to keep them there long term, while Pep inherited already great sides and maintained their success without actually building anything himself. Klopp or Mourinho for me.
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Post by Tatty on Jan 27, 2014 9:34:08 GMT
Pellegrini's 60. How can he be a manager for another decade?
Conte Mourinho Klopp Simeone Guardiola Brendan Rodgers Pocchetino De Boer/Bergkamp Solskjaer AVB
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Post by Bestie on Jan 27, 2014 9:38:55 GMT
Seriously, how can anyone mention Roberto Martinez in the same conversation as the likes of Klopp, Mourinho, or Simeone?
Except to answer, 'D'you know who is not even in the same League pyramid as the likes of Klopp, Mourinho, or Simeone?'
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Post by karthy on Jan 27, 2014 9:44:24 GMT
i'd like to see how Seedorf does as a Manager. So too Hyppia with Leverkuson. sort of Wildcards that not many or any would mention or take a punt on. Leverkuson are second and bundesliga for all the technicality and everything is second to La Liga when it comes to competition for the top places. I'd like to see how he does with them in the next few seasons along with Klopp against Pep.
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Post by NR7 on Jan 27, 2014 12:32:27 GMT
Pls tell me RM is a wind up??
Klopp, Simone are pretty much nailed on.
One to watch: De Boer, Ole, Laudrup.
Jose: Cheque book manager. Incapable of building a team that will sustain success.
Pep: Takes over a very good team and makes it better.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 14:54:21 GMT
Martinez is an annoying so and so but he is no doubt an excellent coach. His teams play good attractive Football which considering what he had at his disposal at Swansea, a team he built from sloggers to a total continental style, a team still benefitting from his template, and Wigan where he had a collection of rejects and got them a FA Cup win playing some very good Football and beating the most expensive side in World History in the Final, is quite remarkable. He has achieved more in the game with no where near the same financial backing as David Moyes has.
My personnel favorite is Klopp, Johnboy14 sums him up perfectly above. He is a great character and builds a greta bond with his players similar to Mourinho without being a twat and ostracising the other half of the squad. He really does need to move on from BD with BMs annual cherry picking of his best players there, not to mention their already vast resources. He needs a big club to give him a platform. I would have loved it to be us but that doesnt look likely now.
Other managers I think will do well if given opportunities are, Laudrup, Pochettino, Solskaer and Simeone. With Conte and Blanc already at established big Clubs I see that group as the next generation on the merry go round.
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