FA make all english clubs kick off 7 minutes late

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My thoughts and opinion of Liverpool and the fans needs no introduction nor any highlighting. I hate the bastards with a passion, Heysel is just 1 of many reasons why. Heysel forever gets put in the dark whereas Hillsborough (as horrific as it was) has to take centre stage.

Every season has to outdo the previous. In football a minutes silence or a minutes applause is suffice as a mark of respect. So why should it be any different for them. Many teams have had sad tragedies that have marred the game and deserve undenied respect regardless of who you support but no tragedy should try to be put on a pedestal over the others like they try to do each year.

This is the same club that's fans still mock another clubs tragedy. Its all about them and not a care for anyone else.

They mock ours, ignore Heysel but demand 110% for Hillsborough. THAT'S why I hate them. But I can put that hate to one side to show my respect for 96 people that should have gone home after the game. Shame they cant do the same.

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Thinking about it- did anyone else hear them singing that song about Munich at OT ?

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Mar 22, 2014 0:14:12 GMT Carbon said:

Thinking about it- did anyone else hear them singing that song about Munich at OT ?

They were all singing it, had some cheeky dipper cunt then try giving me shit that the united fans were chanting about Hillsborough, which is utter bollocks.

[WUMblebo]

Mar 22, 2014 0:52:48 GMT @cavelly2k said:

Mar 22, 2014 0:14:12 GMT Carbon said:

Thinking about it- did anyone else hear them singing that song about Munich at OT ?

They were all singing it, had some cheeky dipper cunt then try giving me shit that the united fans were chanting about Hillsborough, which is utter bollocks.

I hate Liverpool but to say our fans weren't chanting about Hillsborough is not true. You could clearly hear our fans singing 'the sun was right, you're murderers' which is disgusting if you ask me. Especially when our fans get so defensive about Munich songs, an ideal world would see an end to all chanting, I even heard scousers chanting about Harold Shipman on the train, horrible. Also your post about Hillsborough tributes changing every year, that isn't true. Liverpool have a minutes silence on the anniversary every year. The only time anyone else has one is when it actually falls on the 15th. The only reason there was a big reaction in 2012 and there was a lot of teams paying tributes as because of the findings of the Hillsborough independent panel and the truth coming out. The reason there was such tribute is that the things that came out that day surprised the entire country including myself. Before them truths I used to give my dad the 'self pity city' jibes and ask why they couldn't just let it go. Now we know why. Don't let you're hatred of them cloud your judgement.  Shame they can't do the same? What respect have we shown for Hillsborough? At Anfield after Munich the minutes silence was obeyed perfectly, google it. There is a memorial for Heysel outside Anfield, at the first Juventus game after Heysel a mosaic was offered although not recieved well. 14 Luverpool fans were charged with manslaughter, I don't see what modern day Liverpool fans are supposed to do when most of them weren't even alive/there.

[WUMblebo]

To everyone saying the FA don't remember other disasters e same way as Hillsborough, don't forget the FA have a lot of guilt over Hillsborough and are part at fault for the disaster for holding the game there in the first place.

[Bestie]

Mar 26, 2014 13:46:21 GMT WUMblebo said:

Mar 22, 2014 0:52:48 GMT @cavelly2k said:

They were all singing it, had some cheeky dipper cunt then try giving me shit that the united fans were chanting about Hillsborough, which is utter bollocks.

I hate Liverpool but to say our fans weren't chanting about Hillsborough is not true. You could clearly hear our fans singing 'the sun was right, you're murderers' which is disgusting if you ask me. Especially when our fans get so defensive about Munich songs, an ideal world would see an end to all chanting, I even heard scousers chanting about Harold Shipman on the train, horrible. Also your post about Hillsborough tributes changing every year, that isn't true. Liverpool have a minutes silence on the anniversary every year. The only time anyone else has one is when it actually falls on the 15th. The only reason there was a big reaction in 2012 and there was a lot of teams paying tributes as because of the findings of the Hillsborough independent panel and the truth coming out. The reason there was such tribute is that the things that came out that day surprised the entire country including myself. Before them truths I used to give my dad the 'self pity city' jibes and ask why they couldn't just let it go. Now we know why. Don't let you're hatred of them cloud your judgement.  Shame they can't do the same? What respect have we shown for Hillsborough? At Anfield after Munich the minutes silence was obeyed perfectly, google it. There is a memorial for Heysel outside Anfield, at the first Juventus game after Heysel a mosaic was offered although not recieved well. 14 Luverpool fans were charged with manslaughter, I don't see what modern day Liverpool fans are supposed to do when most of them weren't even alive/there.

Well nobody asked you. The Sun was right, Liverpool are murderers. Justice for the 39.

Bye.

[Bestie]

Mar 26, 2014 13:53:17 GMT WUMblebo said:

To everyone saying the FA don't remember other disasters e same way as Hillsborough, don't forget the FA have a lot of guilt over Hillsborough and are part at fault for the disaster for holding the game there in the first place.

FA shouldn't be exercising their guilt by forced everyone else to participate in Liverpool's pathetic Victim march.

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Mar 21, 2014 12:59:53 GMT Stew said:

Mar 21, 2014 12:57:51 GMT Bestie said:

On the 50th Anniversary of Munich did every game kick-off at 3:04 then?

I totally agree, the Hillsborough thng is way, way over-played by Liverpool and thereby the Scouse-biased media, and even the F. A.

Of course, you can't say a word against it because then you're 'just being a bitter Manc'.

I'd have absolutely no issue with it if Heysel was afforded exactly the same courtesy.

Good point and I wonder if the FA or Liverpool have ever done anything to remember the Heysel victims?

My biggest problem with Heysel was that the FA, UEFA and the media were very quick to blame it on the " English disease" rather than the Liverpool fans themselves and Liverpool were more than happy to hide behind those headlines. I have been to a handful of European away games and never got into any trouble. As a whole United fans have always travelled well and avoided trouble but yet we were punished and made to feel guilty about something we had no control over and not once did Liverpool FC take ownership of that.

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Mar 22, 2014 0:52:48 GMT @cavelly2k said:

Mar 22, 2014 0:14:12 GMT Carbon said:

Thinking about it- did anyone else hear them singing that song about Munich at OT ?

They were all singing it, had some cheeky dipper cunt then try giving me shit that the united fans were chanting about Hillsborough, which is utter bollocks.

I have never heard it at OT however I have heard the Ken Bigley songs in the past.

[What's In A Name?]

I'll be glad when this weekend is over.


I feel shit admitting this but i sang 20 times Man United for a whole minute.

[Kojak]

Obviously what happened was and is terrible. It was an awful tragedy. Having said that there's a few things that get on my nerves about it.

I really dislike how it's made into a scouse thing. One of the mothers (who, again, I feel terrible for) was on Football Focus this afternoon basically bigging up their "great city" for becoming united over it all. Talking as if only Liverpool could react to a tragedy in such an admirable compassionate way. For a start I'd like to think that if this happened in Manchester, United and City would put their differences aside and come together under such adversity. Death is bigger than football. And for another thing, I think probably the whole country understood what a horrible day that was. You don't have to be from Liverpool to understand how awful something like that is. But in their typical style they'd rather keep it as an insular thing and attempt to score loyalty points off it. Not all of them, but some.

Another minor niggle I have is that phrase that's always used. "Nobody should go to the football and never come back". Nobody should fucking go anywhere and not come back. Nobody should have gone to work in the trade centre on 9/11 and not come back. But they've claimed that phrase and I've been saturated with it today. I must have heard it 100 times and in the end it grinds on you.

Also I don't feel like the same level of respect is afforded to other footballing tragedies. I don't get the 7 minutes thing. Nobody else gets that level of treatment in my view.

[Bestie]

Or nobody should go play in Europe, get on a plane in Germany, and never come back? I don't recall every game on the 50th anniversary of Munich kicking off at three/four minutes past three.

I of course recognise the tragedy of 96 deaths but it irritates me how - what is in reality - a Liverpool tragedy has somehow become all of football's tragedy above any other. It just cries of their usual 'look at us, we're the victims' attitude. I honestly think that all of the politics and victim-baying surrounding Heysel, Sorry, don't mention that Hillborough disrespects/somehow takes away from the fact that 96 people died. It's all about how brilliant Liverpool are at uniting the city and the club rather than those who lost their lives.

[Bestie]

Mar 21, 2014 20:23:22 GMT Bestie said:

"Our Day of Shame

A Liverpool fan recalls how events spiralled out of control. By Tony Evans at the Sunday Times.

NEVER forgive, never forget. Never understand. On Merseyside, the feelings about the Heysel disaster are as deep as they are confused. The chant above was sung at the derby match last month by Everton fans, many of whom feel that in some way they are the real victims of that dreadful day because their title-winning team could not play in the European Cup the next season. It taunted Liverpool supporters, some of whom still feel that they had nothing to do with the deaths of 39 people on that May night nearly 20 years ago.

“A wall collapsed, that was all.”

I have said it and heard it countless times. Except it is a lie.

There was a moment that day that, more than anything that would happen over the ensuing 24 hours, has haunted me.

It was easier to walk into the ground and ignore the ticket collector, some of whom were seated at tables — I went home with a complete ticket. Four years later, on another dreadful day, I would enter another ground without needing to show my ticket.

Justice for the 96.

[Kojak]

Apr 12, 2014 16:50:33 GMT Bestie said:

Or nobody should go play in Europe, get on a plane in Germany, and never come back? I don't recall every game on the 50th anniversary of Munich kicking off at four minutes past three.

I of course recognise the tragedy of 96 deaths but it irritates me how - what is in reality - a Liverpool tragedy has somehow become all of football's tragedy above any other. It just cries of their usual 'look at us, we're the victims' attitude. I honestly think that all of the politics and victim-baying surrounding Heysel, Sorry, don't mention that Hillborough disrespects/somehow takes away from the fact that 96 people died. It's all about how brilliant Liverpool are at uniting the city and the club rather than those who lost their lives.

Absolutely. The deaths of 96 people should never be used as leverage to improve the public perception of your city. But it's just in their nature to always be playing Tragedy Top Trumps.

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Kept my opinion of it all quite silent simply because no matter how its worded the moment you question it your branded "disrespectful" or "a typical bitter manc".

I fully respect it and agree that nobody should go to a football match and not be able to go home, I also agree that the families deserve justice.

However I really dont understand why this must be upstaged every season and why its seems to be put on some sort of pedestal.

A minutes silence has always been suffice no matter the tragedy unless its a special year i.e 50th anniversary. So why should this be any different.

When they finally get their justice, what then, k.o's get changed to 17:48 the time the judge hits his hammer with a verdict?

Its getting a bit much to be fair, nobody will forget so they need to ease it with making it look like it will.

I hope they do get their justice so the 96 can rest in peace.