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Post by Bestie on May 9, 2014 13:08:51 GMT
Sure, so you'd keep things as they are bestie? With the absolutely useless u/21 league? All I see is criticism, without any real alternative suggestions. Zeus no. An Alternative (just one idea I had): I think it might be good for England too. How man of Spains national players have come through the Real and Barca B teams? I have no idea but i'd imagine it's a few.All of them, I think. Definitely most. Almost every youth player turns out for the 'B' side at some point in Spain. A (fairly) radical idea I have is scrap short-term loans (except emergency deals) and have a minimum of a season. Also allow for long-term loans to lower division sides. A top flight club can agree a loan deal for up to two seasons for players between 18 and 21 with a Championship or League One team. Appearence quotas are built-in, which if they aren't met, the player returns to the parent club or there is a penalty fee the same way Real and Barca work their youth loanees deals. The loan club gets the stability of a player for more than 6 months/a season, which means they can worry about some sort of future planning rather than seeing loans as a stop-gap/season boost option. They'll have aplayer who isn't going to potentially be their best player then just disappear after a season. The parent club knows that their young player will be getting regular games in a stable environment rather than constant hop-skotching from club to club every 6 months as well. For the loan player there is the incentive to do well for his loan club more than trying to possibly impress his parent club's manager, but by the fact that their next season will be tied to the fortunes of the loan club. e. g. Jonny Evans went on loan to Sunderland for a season, then he went on loan to them again the next season when they got promoted. We obviously just signed a new one year loan deal, but Evans' development was definitely helped by the fact he went to a familiar place, could settle quickly again, and felt comfortable. |
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Post by Bestie on May 9, 2014 13:10:24 GMT
Kind of. Regionalligen (the 5 Regional Leagues) are the equivalent of the Fourth division (So, League 2). Then there is the 3. Bundesliga which would be like League 1. There isn't really a 'League 3' equivalent because lower that the Regionalligen is Non-League. So essentially, yes, those players played at the lowest Professional level in Germany. Thanks for the info, I had no idea they would of gone that low, would of assumed it would of been higher. Even though it is the lowest level, is it still more technique focused? unlike our lower leagues?Definitely, from what sparse 'on the pitch' knowledge I have of it. Certainly there is less chance of actual footballers being pole-axed by the Stoke's of the Lower Leagues. EDIT: Phil already said basically exactly that. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2014 13:13:36 GMT
Then for it to work like that, there are 5-10 years of foundations to be laid IMO, maybe more.  |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on May 9, 2014 13:24:32 GMT
Do you not think the development of a young player would be somewhat affected in his new club's environment by contractually enforced playing time? You know, as he'd be playing with guys who have been there for ages, possibly older, with a career-based association with their parent club? Devil's advocate here, I know  |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2014 13:28:43 GMT
Do you not think the development of a young player would be somewhat affected in his new club's environment by contractually enforced playing time? You know, as he'd be playing with guys who have been there for ages, possibly older, with a career-based association with their parent club? Devil's advocate here, I know As in the current loan system, as B teams would all be from the parent club? |
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Post by Bestie on May 9, 2014 13:36:34 GMT
Do you not think the development of a young player would be somewhat affected in his new club's environment by contractually enforced playing time? You know, as he'd be playing with guys who have been there for ages, possibly older, with a career-based association with their parent club? Devil's advocate here, I know Potentially. The theory would be though that the loanees are better quality than the players already at the club, just like a new full transfer signing.So they should be getting into the team on merit anyway. I'm not saying have anything as rigid as 'Loanee must play every game they're fit' or anything, just a system of ensuring you don't get a Rossi or Frazier Campbell scenario where a player goes on loan then hardly gets games. |
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