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Post by IRD17_Kaushik on Sept 11, 2015 11:25:31 GMT
I would love to see Giggsy as a Manchester United manager but only after he has managed some other club for 2-3 seasons on his own and exceeded expectations for that Club. Straight away after LVG I think its way too risky and we are not in a position to take such risks.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2015 11:30:57 GMT
Everyone will take Klopp. The romanticism thing is getting annoying for two reasons. Firstly I watch football for the romanticism. I don't watch it for the fucking transfer windows. Secondly Giggs was appointed player Manager, Interim Manager and then Assistant Manager. There must be good reasons for that. All these great players that don't make grwat Managers didn't show as much promise as Giggs surely? Other than recommendation by SAF, DD had no credentials and was always going to need help from senior players. Giggs was the obvious choice. Interim manager for meaningless games. Would you rather we appointed someone else for 4 matches? Asst Mgr - LVG always insisted on having a coach from previous regime to help with the transition process. Again, Giggs was the obvious and default choice. Say a scenario unfolds in 2 years where the events were to repeat and Giggs out of the picture, it will be Carrick as all the above. not sure it will.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2015 11:35:58 GMT
Everyone will take Klopp. The romanticism thing is getting annoying for two reasons. Firstly I watch football for the romanticism. I don't watch it for the fucking transfer windows. Secondly Giggs was appointed player Manager, Interim Manager and then Assistant Manager. There must be good reasons for that. All these great players that don't make grwat Managers didn't show as much promise as Giggs surely? The interim manager thing is totally irrelevant, it was 4 games after they'd fired that clown and someone needed to take the reins. Pretty much every assistant manager will get a few games in charge to tide things over. His being appointed assistant manager by Van Gaal is much more important as a backing for Giggs' quality. What are you talking about, you don't watch football for the transfer window? So what? What has that got to do with Klopp? Giggs is a romantic choice because other than his ties to Utd as a fantastic player, there is zero reason to appoint him manager of one of the biggest clubs in the world. If Van Gaal goes tits up (which I think is more than likely) we'll have had our 2nd botched managerial appointment, out of 2, since Fergie retired. There will then be absolutely no room for a punt, which is all Giggs would be. If anything, Giggs might have been worth a shot after Moyes, because not being Moyes seems to mean pretty much a free pass for a year and a half. If you take your head out of the clouds, there is no reason to appoint Giggs over Klopp. None. And I loved Giggs as a player.But the key word there is 'player'. I don't say hire Giggs over Klopp. It's 1. Klopp 2. Giggs after that I'm not considering anyone else.
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Post by NR7 on Sept 11, 2015 11:39:51 GMT
Other than recommendation by SAF, DD had no credentials and was always going to need help from senior players. Giggs was the obvious choice. Interim manager for meaningless games. Would you rather we appointed someone else for 4 matches? Asst Mgr - LVG always insisted on having a coach from previous regime to help with the transition process. Again, Giggs was the obvious and default choice. Say a scenario unfolds in 2 years where the events were to repeat and Giggs out of the picture, it will be Carrick as all the above. not sure it will. Giggs has a lot of time left. Maybe next to next manager when he would be only in his late 40s?
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Post by Tatty on Sept 11, 2015 12:43:16 GMT
Really from a business standpoint, Mourinho should've got the job post-Fergie. But we allowed hearts to rule over heads. And that can never happen again.
It should be Klopp after LvG. After that, who knows. I;d not be against Gary Monk if he continues as he is. Koeman?
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Post by Bestie on Sept 11, 2015 12:49:33 GMT
You just go jump with that Garry Monk talk.
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Post by Tatty on Sept 11, 2015 12:49:58 GMT
You just go jump with that Garry Monk talk.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2015 12:54:15 GMT
Really from a business standpoint, Mourinho should've got the job post-Fergie. But we allowed hearts to rule over heads. And that can never happen again. It should be Klopp after LvG. After that, who knows. I;d not be against Gary Monk if he continues as he is. Koeman? Mourinho should never be considered here.
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Sept 11, 2015 13:15:44 GMT
Really from a business standpoint, Mourinho should've got the job post-Fergie. But we allowed hearts to rule over heads. And that can never happen again. It should be Klopp after LvG. After that, who knows. I;d not be against Gary Monk if he continues as he is. Koeman? No way. There is a balance between the awful Moyes and the 'gets results but tarnishes the club and plays awful football' Mourinho. Just because Moyes was an awful choice doesn't make Jose a great one.
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Post by Stew on Sept 11, 2015 13:22:36 GMT
Mourinho's Inter and title winning Madrid played brilliant football. People always seem to conveniently forget that. And as much as it's painful to admit it, pre-christmas the Rents were excellent last season.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2015 13:26:03 GMT
I'd of taken 2 1/2 years of Mourinho, over the last 2 1/2 years. All fucking day long.
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Sept 11, 2015 14:05:46 GMT
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
The eye-gouge thing sealed the deal for me RE: Mourinho.
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Sept 11, 2015 15:18:35 GMT
Mourinho's Inter and title winning Madrid played brilliant football. People always seem to conveniently forget that. And as much as it's painful to admit it, pre-christmas the Rents were excellent last season. Didn't watch enough of his Inter so can't comment. He played great football with Real, but with the forward line at his disposal it was frankly impossible not to. We don't have a front 4 like that. Whenever he has been in England he has played awful football (barring the odd game) and chatted shit that brings shame upon him and his club. Moyes was fucking useless and many saw that coming. Jose would have certainly got us top 4, but he would have brought such a load of shit with him (100x worse than what LVG brings) that he wouldn't have been worth it IMO. One of the reasons I like Simeone is (as shown by the 3-1 win he enjoyed over Jose at the Bridge) he plays the kind of football that a man of Jose's beliefs should aspire to (and I think he does, as shown by his purchase of 2 AM players afterwards, plus recalling Cortouis). He plays football that is defensive on the surface, but is actually thrilling to watch because of high pressure and rapid counters. He also knows how to attack when necessary, as shown by the first leg of their semi final victory over Jose. I'm not saying we should have picked Simeone in 2013 because he hadn't achieved enough at the time, but my point is that Jose could play defensively sound football without being as boring as he is. He's obviously top class, but I wouldn't put him in the very top top bracket of managers right now. Maybe in a few years.
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Post by Bestie on Sept 11, 2015 15:31:35 GMT
Mourinho is a complete anti-football tosser but he is one of the greatest managers in history, that shouldn't even be debatable.
His early Chelsea sides with Robben and Duff were terrific to watch as well.
Still, glad we didn't pick him. Horrible character.
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Sept 11, 2015 15:33:07 GMT
There's one stellar* name who hasn't been mentioned at all. Can't understand it....
Rafa!
* lol
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