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Post by Bestie on Sept 11, 2015 8:55:30 GMT
We'd all love to see Giggs mange the club, but whether he's ready or not is anybody's guess. It really would be heartbreaking for him to get the job and have it not go well. Him getting some experience as a manager first may be the way to go. No. Not 'we'd all'. |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Sept 11, 2015 9:01:02 GMT
Van Gaal gave more youth a chance in 1 game than Giggs did in his 4. Giggs seemed to be more worried about giving his mates game time, even though our season was over. As for destroying the "whole fabric", how has he done that? I think Giggs played Everyone in the first team didn't he? Also gave debut's to Larence and Wilson. 2 youth players? In 4 meaningless games. Wow, go Giggs! Hardly a shining example that he will give youth a chance is it? Which was my point. If he wouldn't do it when there is absolutely nothing riding on it (and he would have got off lightly if he had & we had been hammered in each game), why would he suddenly start doing it when his job was on the line and he had to win? |
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Post by Bestie on Sept 11, 2015 9:18:43 GMT
Also that Lawrence was surely a shop window thing. Long list of players who should have been getting a chance ahead of him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2015 9:49:35 GMT
I think Giggs played Everyone in the first team didn't he? Also gave debut's to Larence and Wilson. 2 youth players? In 4 meaningless games. Wow, go Giggs! Hardly a shining example that he will give youth a chance is it? Which was my point. If he wouldn't do it when there is absolutely nothing riding on it (and he would have got off lightly if he had & we had been hammered in each game), why would he suddenly start doing it when his job was on the line and he had to win? But he did do it. Weird thing to say. Be gave youth a chance and you're knitpicking. 3 teenagers in 4 games I think. |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Sept 11, 2015 10:05:49 GMT
2 youth players? In 4 meaningless games. Wow, go Giggs! Hardly a shining example that he will give youth a chance is it? Which was my point. If he wouldn't do it when there is absolutely nothing riding on it (and he would have got off lightly if he had & we had been hammered in each game), why would he suddenly start doing it when his job was on the line and he had to win? But he did do it. Weird thing to say. Be gave youth a chance and you're knitpicking. 3 teenagers in 4 games I think. No, if you go back to my original message, i pointed out that Van Gaal gave more youngsters a chance in 1 game than Giggs did in 4 games. Which was a response to the post about how Giggs would give "youth a proper chance" compared to VG who has come in and "destroy(ed) the whole fabric" EDIT: Oh, and it was 2 teens in 1 game. |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Sept 11, 2015 10:14:13 GMT
Giving youth a chance isn't the worry for me, it's that he's never managed a top club before, let alone any club.
The list of legendary players that went on to be average managers is endless and we're not exactly in a position to make another sentimental/idealistic appointment after the Moyes incident.
Worrying, but perhaps we'll be lucky and destiny steps in on our behalf. If there's one club that would be able to produce whatever it is we think/hope Giggs will become it's United.
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Sept 11, 2015 10:15:22 GMT
I think the idea that VG has ruined our youth policy is a media driven fallacy.
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Post by Tatty on Sept 11, 2015 10:43:16 GMT
Giggs as manager?
No, no, no, no, no!
This fascination with Class of 92 needs to end. Unless it Beckham coming in as a Sporting Director to help with difficult transfers. Madrid do it with Zidane, we should do it with Becks.
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Post by Stew on Sept 11, 2015 10:57:32 GMT
It wasn't that long ago that people, including me, wanted Ole to succeed Fergie. And he'd achieved far more than Giggs ever has.
If it happens I'll back him to the hilt, but leaving romanticism aside, it just has to be Klopp.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2015 11:05:09 GMT
It wasn't that long ago that people, including me, wanted Ole to succeed Fergie. And he'd achieved far more than Giggs ever has. If it happens I'll back him to the hilt, but leaving romanticism aside, it just has to be Klopp. Everyone will take Klopp. The romanticism thing is getting annoying for two reasons. Firstly I watch football for the romanticism. I don't watch it for the fucking transfer windows. Secondly Giggs was appointed player Manager, Interim Manager and then Assistant Manager. There must be good reasons for that. All these great players that don't make grwat Managers didn't show as much promise as Giggs surely? |
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Post by Stew on Sept 11, 2015 11:12:59 GMT
It wasn't that long ago that people, including me, wanted Ole to succeed Fergie. And he'd achieved far more than Giggs ever has. If it happens I'll back him to the hilt, but leaving romanticism aside, it just has to be Klopp. Everyone will take Klopp. The romanticism thing is getting annoying for two reasons. Firstly I watch football for the romanticism. I don't watch it for the fucking transfer windows. Secondly Giggs was appointed player Manager, Interim Manager and then Assistant Manager. There must be good reasons for that. All these great players that don't make grwat Managers didn't show as much promise as Giggs surely? The interim manager thing is totally irrelevant, it was 4 games after they'd fired that clown and someone needed to take the reins. Pretty much every assistant manager will get a few games in charge to tide things over. His being appointed assistant manager by Van Gaal is much more important as a backing for Giggs' quality. What are you talking about, you don't watch football for the transfer window? So what? What has that got to do with Klopp? Giggs is a romantic choice because other than his ties to Utd as a fantastic player, there is zero reason to appoint him manager of one of the biggest clubs in the world. If Van Gaal goes tits up (which I think is more than likely) we'll have had our 2nd botched managerial appointment, out of 2, since Fergie retired. There will then be absolutely no room for a punt, which is all Giggs would be. If anything, Giggs might have been worth a shot after Moyes, because not being Moyes seems to mean pretty much a free pass for a year and a half. If you take your head out of the clouds, there is no reason to appoint Giggs over Klopp. None. And I loved Giggs as a player.But the key word there is 'player'. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Sept 11, 2015 11:21:05 GMT
Giggs as manager? No, no, no, no, no! This fascination with Class of 92 needs to end. Unless it Beckham coming in as a Sporting Director to help with difficult transfers. Madrid do it with Zidane, we should do it with Becks. They'll likely all be great coaches and I'd be happy to have them coach at United. None of them should manage us until they've proven they are capable. |
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Post by Stew on Sept 11, 2015 11:21:45 GMT
BTW, nothing, and I mean nothing, would give me greater pleasure than being proven wrong on this,. If Giggs came in, first of all I would genuinely back him to the hilt and I would be overjoyed if it worked out. I just think Pep has skewed people's expectations of a former player coming into a club and winning everything straight away.
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Post by NR7 on Sept 11, 2015 11:22:25 GMT
It wasn't that long ago that people, including me, wanted Ole to succeed Fergie. And he'd achieved far more than Giggs ever has. If it happens I'll back him to the hilt, but leaving romanticism aside, it just has to be Klopp. Everyone will take Klopp. The romanticism thing is getting annoying for two reasons. Firstly I watch football for the romanticism. I don't watch it for the fucking transfer windows. Secondly Giggs was appointed player Manager, Interim Manager and then Assistant Manager. There must be good reasons for that. All these great players that don't make grwat Managers didn't show as much promise as Giggs surely? Other than recommendation by SAF, DD had no credentials and was always going to need help from senior players. Giggs was the obvious choice. Interim manager for meaningless games. Would you rather we appointed someone else for 4 matches? Asst Mgr - LVG always insisted on having a coach from previous regime to help with the transition process. Again, Giggs was the obvious and default choice. Say a scenario unfolds in 2 years where the events were to repeat and Giggs out of the picture, it will be Carrick as all the above. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Sept 11, 2015 11:24:18 GMT
Klopp would be great, but I would hardly say it 'has' to be him. There are other top managers out there who more or less fit the bill - Ancelotti, Simeone etc.
I'll tell you who (in my eyes) it has to NOT be: Guardiola.
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