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Post by _ on Sept 19, 2014 3:49:45 GMT
Time for an English vote. Do we want our neighbours and do we want to continue to subsidise them with our hard earned taxes? Do we want Europe and the Commonwealth?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2014 7:59:03 GMT
Salmond should get tried for treason now the berk.
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Post by Bestie on Sept 19, 2014 8:42:29 GMT
Hardly last minute. Did you ever consider the new Devoultion powers were the trump card they deliberately left until the last few days in order to sway the Undecideds? That's who's important in the last week of any election/vote. Hasn't worked out that way though if anything it made them look desperate. I would of liked to have seen this months ago from the major parties. See?! Worked out perfectly! Meant it! ... I do think there's an identity crisis in the UK though. I've had the discussion on here before about what's UK, what's Britain, Irish (not Northern) not regarded as foreighners, It all seems messy & i don't see why they shouldn't just move away from the whole thing & create a new country. You could Keep England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland & N.Ireland as states with their own laws & Governments. It happens a lot in Europe. Am I talking shit? It really isn't that messy. United Kingdom = England, Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales Great Britain = England, Scotland, Wales. 'Irish' Northern Irish (stay calm, my Republican brethren, it's just to illustrate a point) = Not foreign by virtue of birth. Irish (Born in the Republic) = Foreign, exacly the same as members of the EU. In terms of breaking the whole thing up, the four nations would overall be globally insignificant as individual sovereign or republic states. Each contributes to the overall in a very positive way - Norn Irish bollocks aside. We're all small nations in terms of size and population but together we're one of the biggest economies on earth, one of the 'non-superpower superpowers'. The UK is like a chair. Four legs together keep us standing tall, but take them apart and we're just sticks. I like the idea of Federal States under the UK umbrella of co-operation. Pool resources for stuff we need - finance, military, global presence - while governing ourselves as member states by way of Local Assemblies. The national Assemblies in N. I., Scotland and Wales, and by new regional Assemblies in England. Have Westminster as the highest Legislature, with representatives from each of the four nations. |
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Post by Bestie on Sept 19, 2014 8:43:37 GMT
Time for an English vote. Do we want our neighbours and do we want to continue to subsidise them with our hard earned taxes? Do we want Europe and the Commonwealth? What, I don't pay just as much tax as you? Haway. I'd get out of the EU as quickly as we possibly can though. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2014 9:48:16 GMT
Time for an English vote. Do we want our neighbours and do we want to continue to subsidise them with our hard earned taxes? Do we want Europe and the Commonwealth? What, I don't pay just as much tax as you? Haway. I'd get out of the EU as quickly as we possibly can though. Do you still need holiday visas in across the EU? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2014 9:58:51 GMT
Hasn't worked out that way though if anything it made them look desperate. I would of liked to have seen this months ago from the major parties. I do think there's an identity crisis in the UK though. I've had the discussion on here before about what's UK, what's Britain, Irish (not Northern) not regarded as foreighners, It all seems messy & i don't see why they shouldn't just move away from the whole thing & create a new country. You could Keep England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland & N.Ireland as states with their own laws & Governments. It happens a lot in Europe. Am I talking shit? It really isn't that messy. United Kingdom = England, Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales Great Britain = England, Scotland, Wales. 'Irish' Northern Irish (stay calm, my Republican brethren, it's just to illustrate a point) = Not foreign by virtue of birth. Irish (Born in the Republic) = Foreign, exacly the same as members of the EU. In terms of breaking the whole thing up, the four nations would overall be globally insignificant as individual sovereign or republic states. Each contributes to the overall in a very positive way - Norn Irish bollocks aside. We're all small nations in terms of size and population but together we're one of the biggest economies on earth, one of the 'non-superpower superpowers'. The UK is like a chair. Four legs together keep us standing tall, but take them apart and we're just sticks. I like the idea of Federal States under the UK umbrella of co-operation. Pool resources for stuff we need - finance, military, global presence - while governing ourselves as member states by way of Local Assemblies. The national Assemblies in N. I., Scotland and Wales, and by new regional Assemblies in England. Have Westminster as the highest Legislature, with representatives from each of the four nations. Yeah it seems like it could me more together than it is. States mean separate government at one level. Different government at another as you said. Seems to suit the situation more. It's kind of not together, not apart right now. |
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Post by Bestie on Sept 19, 2014 10:06:01 GMT
What, I don't pay just as much tax as you? Haway. I'd get out of the EU as quickly as we possibly can though. Do you still need holiday visas in across the EU? No. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2014 10:13:17 GMT
Do you still need holiday visas in across the EU? No. Top reasom to stay in the EU |
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Post by _ on Sept 19, 2014 10:43:52 GMT
Time for an English vote. Do we want our neighbours and do we want to continue to subsidise them with our hard earned taxes? Do we want Europe and the Commonwealth? What, I don't pay just as much tax as you? Haway. I'd get out of the EU as quickly as we possibly can though. See that's where you confuse taxable income and national budgets, with their hidden subsidies from the central pot. English now realise their NHS system and costly universities aren't shared by the rest of our partners in the Union. The EU is killing the UK but no one ever comes over for more than a holiday to understand why. The advantage of the free entry is the jobs exodus into Britain but Brits looking for work in Europe often face closed shops. When the UK residents take back control of London and Westminster, they might just discover how well off they all are without Europe, or these stupid displays of jingoistic nationalism that cost so much and deliver nothing. |
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Post by smithy2 on Sept 19, 2014 11:12:16 GMT
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Post by _ on Sept 19, 2014 11:24:37 GMT
Top reasom to stay in the EU I'm sure it's worth the £50M we pay every day to stay in the Corrupt Club  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2014 14:04:31 GMT
Time to make it about United  As the results of the Scottish vote for independence hit the headlines this morning; I started thinking about Scottish sporting icons and the impact they’ve had on British football. I immediately thought of high-profile sporting names like, Sir Matt Busby, Jock Stein, Denis Law and most notably of all Sir Alex Ferguson. The great man has been extremely vocal about his support for the “better together” campaign, having worked in England for the past 27 years. In December 2012 he was reported in The Scotsman as saying: “Eight-hundred-thousand Scots, like me, live and work in other parts of the United Kingdom. We don’t live in a foreign country; we are just in another part of the family of the UK.” It’s impossible for me to imagine British football with out Sir Alex. As a 26-year-old Manchester United supporter I have adored the man since I was a kid. The qualities he brought to Manchester United have become extremely rare in the modern game; loyalty, resilience and passion. His hair dryer moments were widely reported, but there was also great warmth from the man we called “gaffer”. In a world dominated by money it was refreshing to see a lad from Govan, a shop steward in the Clyde shipyards, go on to become the greatest football manager in Premier League history. It’s a rags to riches story which resonates with so many people; whether they are from England, Scotland, Wales or across the Irish Sea and beyond, in a way it brings all of us together. After performing miracles at Aberdeen and Old Trafford, “Fergie” has become the penultimate British footballing icon to rank alongside Sir Matt Busby, the man who established Manchester United as a world-class footballing outfit in the fifties, the man every United manager since has been trying to emulate. Without Sir Alex I can’t see Manchester United, or the Premier League being where they are today, 26 years, 38 trophies, 20 league titles, 2 champions league trophies, 894 games won and a knighthood, not bad for a working class lad from Glasgow. Manchester United have evolved into a footballing power house to rival Real Madrid and Barcelona, they account for 51% of the Premier League’s entire worldwide television audience and generate over £300m alone from commercial partners worldwide. The premier league is now the most watched league in the world and you have to look at Manchester United and Ferguson for attracting that interest, as the break out team in the premier league era. Off the back of this reputation as a global franchise Manchester United been able to attract the likes of Radamel Falcao and Angel Di Maria, both galaticos in their own right and sure to carry on the winning mentality of Manchester United. Known for his fiery temper, Sir Alex Ferguson was a fiercely loyal coach who invested his time and effort in star players and academy grads. We have seen Ryan Giggs, David Beckham, Paul Scholes, the Neville brother, Nicky Butt, Jonny Evans, Danny Welbeck and Darren Fletcher graduate into the United first team fold. It’s this mixed approach which has enhanced the identity of Manchester United and helps them stand from other top flight teams. Under Louis Van Gaal Manchester United look set to continue this tradition with a Jonny Evans, Tyler Blackett and Darren Fletcher already first team regulars and James Wilson coming through the youth ranks along with Reece James. I am extremely proud to have watched Manchester United at their peak under Sir Alex Ferguson, as I have had the opportunity to see one of the greatest British managers of all time at work. Sir Alex will always be a proud Scotsman, but he was also a great British manager and a working class hero. It doesn’t matter where you are from Manchester, Dublin, London, Glasgow, New York or Thailand, his story resonates with every city and nationality in the world and I’m proud to call him one of us. |
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