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Post by grandpaTJ on Oct 9, 2014 0:01:44 GMT
Errr! Taliban - Funded and armed by US and UK Governments during the Cold War. Al Qaeda - Funded and armed by US and UK Governments during the first Gulf war. Isis - Funded and armed by US and UK Governments during Syrian uprising.Fail to see where the Saudis fit in really. Exactly Tatty. There is an element of needing to clean up one's own mess here. This actually started in Libya with the West's happy to sit back and watch. Now the monster is out it needs to be eradicated. Actually started in early 50's with US messing with politics. Then helping that murderous Shah get in power in Iran, and turning a blind eye to his brutality. Then helping Afghans deal with the Russians, and not following up on promises of aid and schools promised to them after Russians were thrown out. Saudis fit in because there are members of the royal family tossing money into the mix helping arm individual groups.; History of US (and others) messing about in politics over there goes way back before the cold war This region has been at war off an on since biblical times, and the "rulers" have ruled out of strength and fear. It is not a region where I can see "democracy" working very well at all. Given all the meddling and hard feelings (rightful hard feelings in most cases) I am not sure if there is really any way to "clean up" the mess that has been made |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 0:43:34 GMT
And you can't just go in willy-nilly in to countries of small brown people just because a few people got their heads chopped off. The world doesn't work like that. How about to prevent the massacre/genocide of the Kurdish people? Because that's what ISIS fancy right now. Take Kobani: Kill Kurds. For The U. S., ourselves and the other so-called "superpowers" not to be going in with the full might of our combined militaries is a disgrace to our humanity. How about instead of flexing muscles anddoling our hyped-up 'assistance' we actually DO SOMETHING RIGHT for a change. I'm leaning towards this although I don't know a great deal about it. I was firmly against the war on Iraq but that was totally different. There's proper evil going on and I'm sure it can be eradicated with minimal innocent casualties. It's horrible but just end it ffs. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 0:48:43 GMT
We know where they are, and like Aus, I don't know a lot about it. But.... we know where they are. So we can stop them.
We're quite happy, as a government to technically invade a country (Iraq etc), but not to go in and liberate a town, and potentially crush a large swathe of terrorists in the process.
Something isn't right
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Post by Bestie on Oct 9, 2014 9:05:40 GMT
How about to prevent the massacre/genocide of the Kurdish people? Because that's what ISIS fancy right now. Take Kobani: Kill Kurds. For The U. S., ourselves and the other so-called "superpowers" not to be going in with the full might of our combined militaries is a disgrace to our humanity. How about instead of flexing muscles anddoling our hyped-up 'assistance' we actually DO SOMETHING RIGHT for a change. Or y'know, the Turks could do something about stuff on their own doorstep. Too bloody right they should, but they won't do it without the U. S.-led 'global coalition' giving them guarantees of help. I was thinking about it this morning as I drove into work that couldn't we just do the old trick of sending our guys in dressed as someone else? Surely the Turks have spare uniforms they could lend the coalition guys. So you have the Turkish military and the 'rest of the Turkish military' doing something about this Kobani situation. |
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Post by swimmityswim on Oct 9, 2014 9:26:00 GMT
Turkish must be worried about the Muslim population, as in most of the population, rebelling. Seems like they want to be seen to be defending their doorstep as much as is necessary to be seen to be doing something, but not enough to be seen as getting too involved. (lots of to's in that sentence)
Get Turkey, and it's one step from the Medwhile true, turkey is the only majority muslim country around that area (save for albania) so any further offensive would be completely out of order. bringing "islamic state" to non-muslim countries. although it is worrying that next stop would be the perenially peaceful balkan region  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 9:31:29 GMT
Turkish must be worried about the Muslim population, as in most of the population, rebelling. Seems like they want to be seen to be defending their doorstep as much as is necessary to be seen to be doing something, but not enough to be seen as getting too involved. (lots of to's in that sentence)
Get Turkey, and it's one step from the Medwhile true, turkey is the only majority muslim country around that area (save for albania) so any further offensive would be completely out of order.bringing "islamic state" to non-muslim countries. although it is worrying that next stop would be the perenially peaceful balkan region Everything they do is a little more than out of order. Not just if they go after non-Muslim countries |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 9:37:36 GMT
How about to prevent the massacre/genocide of the Kurdish people? Because that's what ISIS fancy right now. Take Kobani: Kill Kurds. For The U. S., ourselves and the other so-called "superpowers" not to be going in with the full might of our combined militaries is a disgrace to our humanity. How about instead of flexing muscles anddoling our hyped-up 'assistance' we actually DO SOMETHING RIGHT for a change. Or y'know, the Turks could do something about stuff on their own doorstep. I was watching a video about this last night - apparently ISIS are openly smuggling oil etc through turkey and politicians etc are just turning a blind eye. This could of course be a propaganda campaign |
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Post by swimmityswim on Oct 9, 2014 10:04:31 GMT
while true, turkey is the only majority muslim country around that area (save for albania) so any further offensive would be completely out of order.bringing "islamic state" to non-muslim countries. although it is worrying that next stop would be the perenially peaceful balkan region Everything they do is a little more than out of order. Not just if they go after non-Muslim countries speaking in relative terms here. not condoning anything here but i understand what theyre doing in theory over there in the middle east trying to bring all muslim countries together by force under one umbrella. that theory goes out the window once they start on non-muslim countries. obviously none of it is right |
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