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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 0:12:26 GMT
aussiegraham if you're reading this somewhere? What are the rules regarding players wrestling & pulling shirts in the box?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 13:22:55 GMT
Apparently its OK these days if it includes a RKO  |
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Post by traffordbrown on Oct 31, 2014 15:52:51 GMT
aussiegraham if you're reading this somewhere? What are the rules regarding players wrestling & pulling shirts in the box? Rule is... it's not allowed. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 15:57:59 GMT
aussiegraham if you're reading this somewhere? What are the rules regarding players wrestling & pulling shirts in the box? Rule is... it's not allowed. Referees interpretation of the rule is... didn't see it/never happened/Arsene Wenger |
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Post by aussiegraham on Nov 2, 2014 0:47:54 GMT
aussiegraham if you're reading this somewhere? What are the rules regarding players wrestling & pulling shirts in the box? Physical grappling is not allowed, you can stand where you like (in the box, for a corner) but you shouldn't be using your arms, legs (or any other protuberance!) to hold another player. It's a real problem that's been allowed to creep into the game. When the PL refs allow it, it filters down to grass-roots level and I, for example, then have a problem with players telling me that I don't know the rules when I react (as it's "ok on the TV!") It's a tough one to manage, especially in "real time" (it's not always easy for the arm chair pundits to identify who, if anyone, was at fault, even in slow motion). There has always been jostling for the ball when it enters the box and jumping players will, of course, make contact. The grabbing and grappling is new, and the issue. The refereeing "powers that be" need to implement a decision and stand by it. Free kick to the defending team or a penalty. If that's applied consistently, with the help of the AR's, it will soon disappear. Just for the record, I stop play the first time in my matches that it occurs and tell both sets of players that I won't stand for it and will call a foul one way or the other. I say that I know I won't always be right, but that's the price they are going to pay for playing silly buggers. Seems to work! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 1:06:33 GMT
aussiegraham if you're reading this somewhere? What are the rules regarding players wrestling & pulling shirts in the box? Physical grappling is not allowed, you can stand where you like (in the box, for a corner) but you shouldn't be using your arms, legs (or any other protuberance!) to hold another player. It's a real problem that's been allowed to creep into the game. When the PL refs allow it, it filters down to grass-roots level and I, for example, then have a problem with players telling me that I don't know the rules when I react (as it's "ok on the TV!") It's a tough one to manage, especially in "real time" (it's not always easy for the arm chair pundits to identify who, if anyone, was at fault, even in slow motion). There has always been jostling for the ball when it enters the box and jumping players will, of course, make contact. The grabbing and grappling is new, and the issue. The refereeing "powers that be" need to implement a decision and stand by it. Free kick to the defending team or a penalty. If that's applied consistently, with the help of the AR's, it will soon disappear. Just for the record, I stop play the first time in my matches that it occurs and tell both sets of players that I won't stand for it and will call a foul one way or the other. I say that I know I won't always be right, but that's the price they are going to pay for playing silly buggers. Seems to work! Which specific rule does it break? There are only a few categories of fouls aren't there? Dangerous play with intent to hurt is one of them I think. It doesn't fit that category. |
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Post by grandpaTJ on Nov 2, 2014 2:57:18 GMT
Physical grappling is not allowed, you can stand where you like (in the box, for a corner) but you shouldn't be using your arms, legs (or any other protuberance!) to hold another player. It's a real problem that's been allowed to creep into the game. When the PL refs allow it, it filters down to grass-roots level and I, for example, then have a problem with players telling me that I don't know the rules when I react (as it's "ok on the TV!") It's a tough one to manage, especially in "real time" (it's not always easy for the arm chair pundits to identify who, if anyone, was at fault, even in slow motion). There has always been jostling for the ball when it enters the box and jumping players will, of course, make contact. The grabbing and grappling is new, and the issue. The refereeing "powers that be" need to implement a decision and stand by it. Free kick to the defending team or a penalty. If that's applied consistently, with the help of the AR's, it will soon disappear. Just for the record, I stop play the first time in my matches that it occurs and tell both sets of players that I won't stand for it and will call a foul one way or the other. I say that I know I won't always be right, but that's the price they are going to pay for playing silly buggers. Seems to work! Which specific rule does it break? There are only a few categories of fouls aren't there? Dangerous play with intent to hurt is one of them I think. It doesn't fit that category. I suppose if someone "bulldogged" (Take them around the neck and throw them down or drop and force them down) another player during "grapple" it could be considered "Dangerous with intent to hurt" , grab someone like that and take them down, could cause very serious injury. I hate to see another situation where it becomes judgement call by the ref's, and I wonder how long it will take some of the more "creative" players in the league to figure out that they can "Fake" a take down in the box and perhaps get pen or free kick which could well result in a goal. Short of an absolute mugging in there where ref might have no option I hate to see any action by a ref that can determine outcome of a match, and I would be willing to be the refs feel very much the same way |
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Post by aussiegraham (Ret.) on Nov 2, 2014 6:56:32 GMT
Physical grappling is not allowed, you can stand where you like (in the box, for a corner) but you shouldn't be using your arms, legs (or any other protuberance!) to hold another player. It's a real problem that's been allowed to creep into the game. When the PL refs allow it, it filters down to grass-roots level and I, for example, then have a problem with players telling me that I don't know the rules when I react (as it's "ok on the TV!") It's a tough one to manage, especially in "real time" (it's not always easy for the arm chair pundits to identify who, if anyone, was at fault, even in slow motion). There has always been jostling for the ball when it enters the box and jumping players will, of course, make contact. The grabbing and grappling is new, and the issue. The refereeing "powers that be" need to implement a decision and stand by it. Free kick to the defending team or a penalty. If that's applied consistently, with the help of the AR's, it will soon disappear. Just for the record, I stop play the first time in my matches that it occurs and tell both sets of players that I won't stand for it and will call a foul one way or the other. I say that I know I won't always be right, but that's the price they are going to pay for playing silly buggers. Seems to work! Which specific rule does it break? There are only a few categories of fouls aren't there? Dangerous play with intent to hurt is one of them I think. It doesn't fit that category. A direct free kick is awarded if a player "holds an opponent " (under the offences section of the FIFA rules). |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 7:20:57 GMT
Which specific rule does it break? There are only a few categories of fouls aren't there? Dangerous play with intent to hurt is one of them I think. It doesn't fit that category. A direct free kick is awarded if a player "holds an opponent " (under the offences section of the FIFA rules). It must be damn near impossible when everyone in the box is holding people. Only retroactive punishment could stop that. |
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Post by aussiegraham (Ret.) on Nov 2, 2014 7:42:45 GMT
Certainly is a tricky one.
Watching Sydney FC v Central Coast, the problem's global!
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