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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 12:11:55 GMT
That's the other thing. A lot of South Americans like/want to go back before the real end of their careers. Leaving European football always seems like a a step down but it would be like Rio going back to West Ham when he was 31/32, rather than Henry going back to Arsenal on loan for a swansong. Agree but Kaka, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo and Possibly Ronaldo all struggled at AC Milan first if I've got my facts straight. It's not like they went back as top players. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 12:15:16 GMT
He's 34, but he has not fizzled out.  Of course he has. Moved to Flamengo at 30 after being crap at AC Milan. How much more can you fizzle? Didn't cantona retire at 30? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 12:18:52 GMT
Of course he has. Moved to Flamengo at 30 after being crap at AC Milan. How much more can you fizzle? Didn't cantona retire at 30? Yes. He retired at the top of his game. These guys were the best player in the world at some point and were probably all worse than Cantona at 30. Their careers were flash in a pan compared to maldini, Giggs, Scholes, Pirlo etc. I just find that weird. |
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Post by ZlattackRed on Jan 22, 2015 12:30:38 GMT
I would agree with @ausred88 on this matter. They tend to relax when they enter their 30s and fade away quickly. Its probably more due to their lifestyle and laidback attitude.
They are to football what West Indies is to cricket. They play well till they enjoy, dont try extra hard to be at the top of the game after reaching a certain level. You look at West Indians in cricket and will find that they tend to hang up their boots quite early as compared to their global peers and chill out with their families in their home land. I would assume the Sambas are similar to the Calypsos in this regard.
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Post by CaajScot on Jan 22, 2015 12:45:19 GMT
I would agree with Ared on this matter. They tend to relax when they enter their 30s and fade away quickly. Its probably more due to their lifestyle and laidback attitude. They are to football what West Indies is to cricket. They play well till they enjoy, dont try extra hard to be at the top of the game after reaching a certain level. You look at West Indians in cricket and will find that they tend to hang up their boots quite early as compared to their global peers and chill out with their families in their home land. I would assume the Sambas are similar to the Calypsos in this regard. Gone are the days of Sobres, Marshall, Hall, Lloyd, Holder, Richards, Marshall and Lara. The Windies went down-hill after Lara IMO. They have never been the same since. Maybe it's too do with cricket in this day and age. Bit like football really and all the greats of the past. |
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Post by ZlattackRed on Jan 23, 2015 5:21:02 GMT
I would agree with Ared on this matter. They tend to relax when they enter their 30s and fade away quickly. Its probably more due to their lifestyle and laidback attitude. They are to football what West Indies is to cricket. They play well till they enjoy, dont try extra hard to be at the top of the game after reaching a certain level. You look at West Indians in cricket and will find that they tend to hang up their boots quite early as compared to their global peers and chill out with their families in their home land. I would assume the Sambas are similar to the Calypsos in this regard. Gone are the days of Sobres, Marshall, Hall, Lloyd, Holder, Richards, Marshall and Lara. The Windies went down-hill after Lara IMO. They have never been the same since. Maybe it's too do with cricket in this day and age. Bit like football really and all the greats of the past. Yeah I see lots of similarities with Brazilian football. |
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Post by _ on Jan 23, 2015 6:06:24 GMT
"Its better to burn out, than to fade away.."  |
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Post by Moodymanc on Jan 23, 2015 6:59:23 GMT
What about Robinho and adriano..?...kaka went to Madrid and lost it....ronaldhino went to the clubs in Ibiza and lost it.
Kaka aside ..I think most Brazilian players lack professionalism ..they get a taste of the good life and take their foot off the pedal. Ronaldhino was unbelievable when on song but the fame went to his head and he fell into a pit even before he was 30. I'll admit that I was disappointed as he was my favorite footballer at the time especially after his showing at the 2002 World Cup .
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Post by Deez on Jan 25, 2015 16:32:41 GMT
Would be nice if Coutinho fizzled out soon. The lads been their best player this season. Cracking player
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Post by Bestie on Jan 25, 2015 16:48:25 GMT
Would be nice if Coutinho fizzled out soon. The lads been their best player this season. Cracking player Hopeful one of Spain's big three or a continental money side come in for him soon. Agree he is a smashing wee player, thought that for a couple of seasons now. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 3:52:34 GMT
I think it's largely to do with a lot of them coming from poverty. (Not in every case obviously, but hear me out)
The huge rises to success, the relocating half way across the world at 18-19, (perhaps without their families) the incredibly large amounts of money, Everything available to them. The pressure of competition.etc etc
In Ando case, he adopted a live fast die young approach. Eating shit, partying, but still training his bollocks off. Eventually the body can no longer keep up, injuries take hold and then maybe they've lost a yard of pace, or they shy away from challenges.
Many parallels between some of the Brazil lads and George Best. He partied all his money and talent away. He was done at 28! Sure he carried on for years after, but he was a poor imitation of his former self.
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Post by _ on Feb 3, 2015 8:39:18 GMT
To answer the original question: why do Brazialian players turn to crap so young?
I would lbegin by looking at what happened to the 1970 World Cup squad. Regarded as the finest squad of players ever including Pele, Rivelino, Torres and Brito. Could Pele have been that good during that WC without Tostao? They nearly all played well into the 1970s and a few in the early 1980s. A couple gave up after injuries while others found new and exciting careers. If any squad came from poverty it was that one but virtually all had great careers.
Since 1970 ALL Brazialian footballers have had to live in their shadow. It's not easy to create greatness after that team and it was a rocky road that culminated in the 2014 collapse against Germany. In between there was always comparison with 1970 squad even when they won the WC it nearly always lacked the 1970 Calypso. There was always comparisons of past and present players. Was Moses a new Alberto (1970 captain) or Ronaldo the next Pele? Many players folded or realised they hadn't made that grade and just slipped away.
After this last WC there is a greater sense of reality in what Brazilian players are capable of in the modern game. In some respects it's a like us post Fergie, post treble and post class of 92. We need to go through the pain of realising that kind of greatness is rare and unlikely to happen again.
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