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Post by Stew on Oct 2, 2015 10:51:42 GMT
I'm not sure exactly how things are but is this right?
If England lose to the Aussies and don't get a bonus point, England are pretty much done? Even if an injury-ravaged Wales lose to Australia?
However, if England get a bonus point loss, aren't they ahead of Wales in effect?
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Post by CaajScot on Oct 2, 2015 11:20:46 GMT
I'm not sure exactly how things are but is this right? If England lose to the Aussies and don't get a bonus point, England are pretty much done? Even if an injury-ravaged Wales lose to Australia? However, if England get a bonus point loss, aren't they ahead of Wales in effect?
By Richard Williams BBC Wales Sport at the Millennium Stadium Wales coach Warren Gatland admitted he will find it hard to support Australia when they play England on Saturday.
A Wallabies win will knock England out of the World Cup and send Wales, who beat Fiji 23-13 on Thursday, through to the quarter-finals. New Zealander Gatland said: "If we were being selfish about our own destiny Australia can do us a big favour. "But it's a bit hard for a Kiwi to be cheering Aussies, so I think I'll be quite neutral for this weekend." Wales's win over Fiji saw them move to the top of Pool A on 13 points - four ahead of Australia and seven in front of England. Three into two does not go
Wales, England and Australia can all still qualify for the quarter-finals but only the top two in Pool A will go through. With four points for a win, one bonus point for a team that scores four or more tries in a match, and one point if you lose by seven points or fewer, the permutations are many. 
If England beat Australia, then the tournament hosts will be favourites as their final game on 10 October is against minnows Uruguay - both Wales and the Wallabies recorded bonus-point victories over the South American side.
A bonus-point win for England would mean the match between Australia and Wales, earlier on the same day at Twickenham, would decide the other qualifier from the so-called pool of death.
There is a scenario that could see Wales and England finish on the same points. If that were to happen, Wales would go through because they won last Saturday's pool match.
Should Australia lose to England and then beat Wales there is also the possibility of all three teams finishing on the same points and then points difference comes into play.
The Welsh have lost their last 10 meetings with Australia, but captain Sam Warburton believes there has been little between the teams.
The last five meetings between the sides have seen the Wallabies win by five points or fewer.
"We take a lot of confidence from those defeats because it's been a penalty decision, or one guy coming out of the line in the last minute - really the finest margins you can probably get in Test rugby," said Warburton.
"So we know that we have the makings to get a win against Australia, but I've seen some of their games recently and they are looking particularly good.
"It's going to be another huge battle between England and Australia and then between us and Australia - it's going to be an exciting week."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 13:32:23 GMT
I'm not sure exactly how things are but is this right? If England lose to the Aussies and don't get a bonus point, England are pretty much done? Even if an injury-ravaged Wales lose to Australia? However, if England get a bonus point loss, aren't they ahead of Wales in effect? If England lose they are out. If England lose but get the 2 bonus points ( 4 tries and lose by less than 7 points) they are out. This puts then onto 8 points, possible 13 points getting the 5 against Uruguay. In the even of the points being the same it goes to head 2 head. WE WON  . So we would qualify. Only way England can qualify is if they beat Australia. |
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Post by Stew on Oct 2, 2015 13:35:28 GMT
I'm not sure exactly how things are but is this right? If England lose to the Aussies and don't get a bonus point, England are pretty much done? Even if an injury-ravaged Wales lose to Australia? However, if England get a bonus point loss, aren't they ahead of Wales in effect? If England lose they are out. If England lose but get the 2 bonus points ( 4 tries and lose by less than 7 points) they are out. This puts then onto 8 points, possible 13 points getting the 5 against Uruguay. In the even of the points being the same it goes to head 2 head. WE WON . So we would qualify. Only way England can qualify is if they beat Australia. Ah ok. That puts a different slant on it! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 15:05:22 GMT
If England lose they are out. If England lose but get the 2 bonus points ( 4 tries and lose by less than 7 points) they are out. This puts then onto 8 points, possible 13 points getting the 5 against Uruguay. In the even of the points being the same it goes to head 2 head. WE WON . So we would qualify. Only way England can qualify is if they beat Australia. Ah ok. That puts a different slant on it! Thought I'd simplify it. Although they wont win so I don't care  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 1:57:31 GMT
Well not impressed with the Kiwis at all. they play like that after the groups then they'll be going home. Fair play to Georgia, they did themselves proud.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 10:49:09 GMT
Gonna be a lot of Wallaby fans out there today You know what to do! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 10:50:36 GMT
Gonna be a lot of Wallaby fans out there today You know what to do! Avoid Walkabout if possible? |
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Post by smithy2 on Oct 3, 2015 13:36:53 GMT
Ah ok. That puts a different slant on it! Thought I'd simplify it. Although they wont win so I don't care Wouldn't speak too soon mate. We are a bit of a bogey team for the Aussies. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 14:25:27 GMT
Thought I'd simplify it. Although they wont win so I don't care Wouldn't speak too soon mate. We are a bit of a bogey team for the Aussies. Wishful thinking more than anything. Plus it makes it easier for us. |
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Post by CaajScot on Oct 3, 2015 14:51:58 GMT
Wouldn't speak too soon mate. We are a bit of a bogey team for the Aussies. Wishful thinking more than anything. Plus it makes it easier for us. Lol. You two have fun with the banter. Scotland face the Springboks later and it will be squeaky bum time for me. If Scotland beat them then I will do a streak outside my flat without my kilt on. But even if we lose we have to play Samoa next and watching the Samoa v Japan match atm it won't be easy. Japan are leading 23-0 but Samoas wont be a pushover for us Jocks. |
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Post by Stew on Oct 3, 2015 14:59:35 GMT
Samoa are a filthy shower of bastards.
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Post by Stew on Oct 3, 2015 15:03:56 GMT
I haven't seen a better player at this tournament than the Japanese scrum half. Brilliant operator.
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Post by CaajScot on Oct 3, 2015 15:22:18 GMT
I haven't seen a better player at this tournament than the Japanese scrum half. Brilliant operator. |
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Post by CaajScot on Oct 3, 2015 15:25:43 GMT
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