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Post by Stew on Oct 12, 2015 11:23:33 GMT
I have to admit a slight bias here. When Utd were largely garbage in the late 70's/early 80s, Forest were a team I adopted very much as my 2nd side. mainly because even back then I could appreciate them winning meant the fucking Scousers didn't. And that would be important one day. It meant chasing down 18 leagues, not 20, 5 European Cups, not 7 etc. Plus Clough was a genius/lunatic that played incredibly good football. To take a team that was 13th in the then 2nd division to 2 European Cups within a few years, mostly without paying massive money (a la the Rents or City) is an insane achievement. Here's a great article in the Guardian. I think there's a new documentary coming up about his time there: www.theguardian.com/football/2015/oct/10/brian-clough-miracle-nottingham-forest-european-champions-film-jose-mourinho |
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Post by CaajScot on Oct 12, 2015 11:38:00 GMT
I have to admit a slight bias here. When Utd were largely garbage in the late 70's/early 80s, Forest were a team I adopted very much as my 2nd side. mainly because even back then I could appreciate them winning meant the fucking Scousers didn't. And that would be important one day. It meant chasing down 18 leagues, not 20, 5 European Cups, not 7 etc. Plus Clough was a genius/lunatic that played incredibly good football. To take a team that was 13th in the then 2nd division to 2 European Cups within a few years, mostly without paying massive money (a la the Rents or City) is an insane achievement. Here's a great article in the Guardian. I think there's a new documentary coming up about his time there: www.theguardian.com/football/2015/oct/10/brian-clough-miracle-nottingham-forest-european-champions-film-jose-mourinhoGood old Cloughie. I remember when I read an article on Clough punching Keane and knocking him too the ground. In Keane's quotes..... On being punched in the face by Brian Clough:
"Cloughie was dead right, absolutely. It was the best thing he ever did for me. It's good to get angry. It's an emotion and part of the game. It's good to go a bit mad but I don't throw teacups around. That's not my style - I'd rather throw punches."www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/roy-keanes-best-quotes-former-2910789 |
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Post by Bestie on Oct 12, 2015 12:11:27 GMT
I have to admit a slight bias here. When Utd were largely garbage in the late 70's/early 80s, Forest were a team I adopted very much as my 2nd side. mainly because even back then I could appreciate them winning meant the fucking Scousers didn't. And that would be important one day. It meant chasing down 18 leagues, not 20, 5 European Cups, not 7 etc. Plus Clough was a genius/lunatic that played incredibly good football. To take a team that was 13th in the then 2nd division to 2 European Cups within a few years, mostly without paying massive money (a la the Rents or City) is an insane achievement. Here's a great article in the Guardian. I think there's a new documentary coming up about his time there: www.theguardian.com/football/2015/oct/10/brian-clough-miracle-nottingham-forest-european-champions-film-jose-mourinhoHave loved Clough since I really started taking an interest in football outside 'my teams' and the history of the game in particular. Admire his ability and his philosophies of the game, dealing with players, and management in general. Really enjoyed The Damned United, both book and film even though they're both blatently heavily fictionalised. Michael Sheen did Clough fairly well, as far as I know of the man himself. Have a soft spot for Forest based entirely on what I have learned about Clough, Taylor, and Forest in those years. |
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Post by CaajScot on Oct 12, 2015 12:26:44 GMT
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Post by Stew on Oct 12, 2015 19:39:29 GMT
This is well worth a look:
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Post by CaajScot on Oct 21, 2015 11:00:18 GMT
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Post by johnboy14 on Oct 21, 2015 12:28:50 GMT
His achievements were incredible and the things he achieved with a small club like Forest won't be replicated again. Its really impossible to do the things he did in the modern game. If you compare the resources big clubs had back then to what they have now. Its day and night plus players have the power these days. If there was a bosman rule back then chances are liverpool and ourselves would of hovered up there best players. Clough was a genius but if I've learnt anything about the man, its he really was part of a double act. Peter Taylor's influence at Derby and Forest was massive. I don't ever feel he gets quite as much credit as Cloughy.
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Post by Stew on Oct 21, 2015 13:01:08 GMT
His achievements were incredible and the things he achieved with a small club like Forest won't be replicated again. Its really impossible to do the things he did in the modern game. If you compare the resources big clubs had back then to what they have now. Its day and night plus players have the power these days. If there was a bosman rule back then chances are liverpool and ourselves would of hovered up there best players. Clough was a genius but if I've learnt anything about the man, its he really was part of a double act. Peter Taylor's influence at Derby and Forest was massive. I don't ever feel he gets quite as much credit as Cloughy. Taylor had the eye for players. When they were working off such a tight budget (at the start at any rate) this was vital. Also, don't forget, Clough and Taylor had great success at Derby too. Incredible management team. |
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Post by CaajScot on Oct 21, 2015 13:22:22 GMT
His achievements were incredible and the things he achieved with a small club like Forest won't be replicated again. Its really impossible to do the things he did in the modern game. If you compare the resources big clubs had back then to what they have now. Its day and night plus players have the power these days. If there was a bosman rule back then chances are liverpool and ourselves would of hovered up there best players. Clough was a genius but if I've learnt anything about the man, its he really was part of a double act. Peter Taylor's influence at Derby and Forest was massive. I don't ever feel he gets quite as much credit as Cloughy. Taylor had the eye for players. When they were working off such a tight budget (at the start at any rate) this was vital. Also, don't forget, Clough and Taylor had great success at Derby too. Incredible management team. Aye, Peter Taylor. The two of them were a double act together. When Clough retired from football and took over the manager's job at Hartlepool United in 65 he appointed Taylor as his assistant. They both had the success at Derby until Clough fell out with the Chairman and he left for a stint at 3rd Div Brighton & Hove Albion and Taylor went with him. But Clough never took Taylor with him when he joined Leeds as manager. But that only lasted 44 days and they sacked him. Worst thing Leeds ever did as it was their loss and he joined Forrest with Taylor back beside him, we all know the rest. I don't like Leeds scum and when I look at Leeds now I have a good old laugh. I bet a lot of the Leeds scum supporters wished he had stayed.  |
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Post by CaajScot on Jan 4, 2016 13:01:12 GMT
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Post by Stew on Jan 4, 2016 14:30:12 GMT
Saw the movie over Christmas. It's really good. Very slick.
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Post by CaajScot on Mar 18, 2016 13:25:18 GMT
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