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Post by Stew on Aug 27, 2020 7:18:06 GMT
The main sign of how poorly run we are isn't the Sancho deal in my opinion. I get that a deal like that takes time and there's a lot of things that need to get discussed, agreed, ticked off, etc. We talk about how Chelsea get their deals done no problem, yet they've apparently been "just" about to sign Havertz for about 3 months. It's that we seem incapable on getting more than one thing at a time done. Chelsea's deal for Havertz is dragging on. Fair enough. So is ours for Sancho. 100M mega deals can do that. But they've went and got Chilwell and Werner signed up in the meantime, and probably Silva by the weekend too. We've done fuck all. If we had gotten a centre back, centre mid and striker signed up by now and it was just Sancho that was dragging then OK, that's acceptable, as long as the deal still ends up getting done. But, what? We get Sancho at a slightly reduced price with 6 hours of the window left (if that indeed happens) and then go "Done! Saved 20M too. Brilliant. Now, lets try and sign the other 4 players we need in the remaining 6 hours"? I agree with all your points but will add this- A generational talent like Sancho rarely hits the market. And when one does, there is virtually no instance where there is a free run at him. We have been gifted this opportunity and yet seem determined to waste it. A failure to sign Sancho would be the culmination of the Glazer ownership in my eyes. Chelsea sign half a team of outstanding players, City close in on Messi and we pass up on Sancho? It ends any illusion about United being a serious football club. Perhaps that’s already long gone but it openly admits it to the world.
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Post by ratbag on Aug 27, 2020 7:30:16 GMT
The main sign of how poorly run we are isn't the Sancho deal in my opinion. I get that a deal like that takes time and there's a lot of things that need to get discussed, agreed, ticked off, etc. We talk about how Chelsea get their deals done no problem, yet they've apparently been "just" about to sign Havertz for about 3 months. It's that we seem incapable on getting more than one thing at a time done. Chelsea's deal for Havertz is dragging on. Fair enough. So is ours for Sancho. 100M mega deals can do that. But they've went and got Chilwell and Werner signed up in the meantime, and probably Silva by the weekend too. We've done fuck all. If we had gotten a centre back, centre mid and striker signed up by now and it was just Sancho that was dragging then OK, that's acceptable, as long as the deal still ends up getting done. But, what? We get Sancho at a slightly reduced price with 6 hours of the window left (if that indeed happens) and then go "Done! Saved 20M too. Brilliant. Now, lets try and sign the other 4 players we need in the remaining 6 hours"? I agree with all your points but will add this- A generational talent like Sancho rarely hits the market. And when one does, there is virtually no instance where there is a free run at him. We have been gifted this opportunity and yet seem determined to waste it. A failure to sign Sancho would be the culmination of the Glazer ownership in my eyes. Chelsea sign half a team of outstanding players, City close in on Messi and we pass up on Sancho? It ends any illusion about United being a serious football club. Perhaps that’s already long gone but it openly admits it to the world. THIS
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Post by Stretty on Aug 27, 2020 7:46:37 GMT
The main sign of how poorly run we are isn't the Sancho deal in my opinion. I get that a deal like that takes time and there's a lot of things that need to get discussed, agreed, ticked off, etc. We talk about how Chelsea get their deals done no problem, yet they've apparently been "just" about to sign Havertz for about 3 months. It's that we seem incapable on getting more than one thing at a time done. Chelsea's deal for Havertz is dragging on. Fair enough. So is ours for Sancho. 100M mega deals can do that. But they've went and got Chilwell and Werner signed up in the meantime, and probably Silva by the weekend too. We've done fuck all. If we had gotten a centre back, centre mid and striker signed up by now and it was just Sancho that was dragging then OK, that's acceptable, as long as the deal still ends up getting done. But, what? We get Sancho at a slightly reduced price with 6 hours of the window left (if that indeed happens) and then go "Done! Saved 20M too. Brilliant. Now, lets try and sign the other 4 players we need in the remaining 6 hours"? I agree with all your points but will add this- A generational talent like Sancho rarely hits the market. And when one does, there is virtually no instance where there is a free run at him. We have been gifted this opportunity and yet seem determined to waste it. A failure to sign Sancho would be the culmination of the Glazer ownership in my eyes. Chelsea sign half a team of outstanding players, City close in on Messi and we pass up on Sancho? It ends any illusion about United being a serious football club. Perhaps that’s already long gone but it openly admits it to the world. by 10 years. wehen we got spanked by Barca in those 2 CL finals(which was fair enough as their team back then was probably one of the best ever)we never seriously tried to get anywhere near their level going forward. over the next few years we started signing second tier players plus had Moyes as manager and the rest is well documented history.
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Post by redcase on Aug 27, 2020 9:44:42 GMT
The main sign of how poorly run we are isn't the Sancho deal in my opinion. I get that a deal like that takes time and there's a lot of things that need to get discussed, agreed, ticked off, etc. We talk about how Chelsea get their deals done no problem, yet they've apparently been "just" about to sign Havertz for about 3 months. It's that we seem incapable on getting more than one thing at a time done. Chelsea's deal for Havertz is dragging on. Fair enough. So is ours for Sancho. 100M mega deals can do that. But they've went and got Chilwell and Werner signed up in the meantime, and probably Silva by the weekend too. We've done fuck all. If we had gotten a centre back, centre mid and striker signed up by now and it was just Sancho that was dragging then OK, that's acceptable, as long as the deal still ends up getting done. But, what? We get Sancho at a slightly reduced price with 6 hours of the window left (if that indeed happens) and then go "Done! Saved 20M too. Brilliant. Now, lets try and sign the other 4 players we need in the remaining 6 hours"? I agree with all your points but will add this- A generational talent like Sancho rarely hits the market. And when one does, there is virtually no instance where there is a free run at him. We have been gifted this opportunity and yet seem determined to waste it. A failure to sign Sancho would be the culmination of the Glazer ownership in my eyes. Chelsea sign half a team of outstanding players, City close in on Messi and we pass up on Sancho? It ends any illusion about United being a serious football club. Perhaps that’s already long gone but it openly admits it to the world. Pretty sure the world knows that we are done as a club of stature. Klopp and Guardiola both turned us down in their prime. They're fucking smart people and moreover - they're winners. When they turn down a clown like Woodward, that's proof enough. So yeah, it's been best part of a decade that we haven't been a top tier football club.
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Post by Stew on Aug 27, 2020 10:06:21 GMT
I think my point perhaps wasn’t clear.
I’m as painfully aware as the rest of you about the timeline of our very steep decline. However, during that time Woodward and the Glazers at least tried to present Utd as a club which had designs on winning trophies at the highest level. By prioritising ‘responsibly’ over a superstar like Sancho, they are giving up the ghost of even paying lip service to the idea we are one of the big boys.
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Aug 27, 2020 10:14:54 GMT
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Post by Karma on Aug 27, 2020 12:26:29 GMT
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Post by GeniusCantona on Aug 27, 2020 14:35:15 GMT
Not sure if this is the right thread but going to the general incompetence of the Glazers, even the Dan Snyder run Washington football team have had more winning seasons this decade than the Bucs. The Dan Snyder who is now subject to various allegations of lewd and inappropriate behaviour by former employees. If Snyder is bottom of the barrel when it comes to nfl owners, what are the Glazers then?
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Post by Karma on Aug 27, 2020 15:35:22 GMT
This season mirrors the 2018 one. The only difference is they haven’t renewed Solskjær’s contract. Maybe they are having doubts about throwing large sums of money at the squad? Let’s face it, the Glazers love a reason not to spend.
It’s been a poor season. They probably expected more from it.
Just a thought.
Louis and Jose were both backed after their 1st season.
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Post by jimleightonslenses on Aug 27, 2020 15:41:05 GMT
It really gets on my goat that the moment we will build some kind of momentum, summer comes along and all that momentum and good will built by the team evaporates due to the ineptitude of the club hierarchy. Ole has to battle on all fronts, both internal and external making success basically impossible. We can never be a top club again, and this is all on the hierarchy. I feel bad for Ole.
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Post by caino on Aug 27, 2020 16:05:16 GMT
This season mirrors the 2018 one. The only difference is they haven’t renewed Solskjær’s contract. Maybe they are having doubts about throwing large sums of money at the squad? Let’s face it, the Glazers love a reason not to spend. It’s been a poor season. They probably expected more from it. Just a thought. Louis and Jose were both backed after their 1st season. Crossed my mind that they might not fancy him. Or using that as an excuse to not back him He has done what was asked tho. If that is the case he will have some idea what’s going on and he should walk with his head high with respect from the fans and totally burn the owners out in public
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Post by Karma on Aug 27, 2020 16:15:52 GMT
This season mirrors the 2018 one. The only difference is they haven’t renewed Solskjær’s contract. Maybe they are having doubts about throwing large sums of money at the squad? Let’s face it, the Glazers love a reason not to spend. It’s been a poor season. They probably expected more from it. Just a thought. Louis and Jose were both backed after their 1st season. Crossed my mind that they might not fancy him. Or using that as an excuse to not back him He has done what was asked tho. If that is the case he will have some idea what’s going on and he should walk with his head high with respect from the fans and totally burn the owners out in public We need him to take one for the team and come out swinging, snarking and snarling . The fans might actually do something then ?
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Post by Bestie on Aug 27, 2020 17:15:46 GMT
We need protests outside Ashton's PR firm offices, flyovers at every game, and effigies burnt outside Woodward's fucking house.
Torch them all and salt the earth.
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Post by Ole's Red Whiteknight03 Army on Aug 27, 2020 21:17:50 GMT
We need protests outside Ashton's PR firm offices, flyovers at every game, and effigies burnt outside Woodward's fucking house. Torch them all and salt the earth. Going after Woodward will be spun into a sympathy play. (I’d say like last time but we all know what really happened there.) We need to target everyone associated with him. Sponsors. Ashton. His dry cleaners. And by target I mean full scouse.
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Post by ratbag on Aug 29, 2020 8:48:33 GMT
Apparently there is a must watch video being released at 12 noon today on United Peoples TV Channel talking about the Glazers handling of our club and pretty much confirming that top 4 is the limit of their ambition...
Might be worth a look if you can find it...
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