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Post by JamBritRed on Aug 11, 2016 21:42:14 GMT
How long does a person have to successfully play the part of something they technically are not to actually become the thing they are 'pretending' to be?  Is Mascherano a CB or a CM, and if he is a CB, when did he officially become that? the answer to these questions may go some way to answering your question Bestie. many still hold him as a CM, yet he's been playing as a CB for years now. if HE isn't a CB by now, then Blind cant be either, right?  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2016 21:49:04 GMT
Blind is ultimately a very good and intelligent footballer who looks completely at home in any position he's asked to play. Invaluable!
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Post by dsilvaxx2 on Aug 11, 2016 21:59:35 GMT
Blind is ultimately a very good and intelligent footballer who looks completely at home in any position he's asked to play. Invaluable! That is all good to say, unless Blind is playing CB vs say man marking Benteke or another physical striker, then he is toast inside the 18. He is also at a disadvantage against a fast striker, or a striker that can turn you like a bottle top....well let's just say that CB ain't his strongest suit against quality attacking talent. The fallacy is that a player is of more value if they play multiple positions, but certainly a specialist, as Jose calls them, is a much greater force in that position on the pitch, then the multi player. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2016 22:02:27 GMT
Blind is ultimately a very good and intelligent footballer who looks completely at home in any position he's asked to play. Invaluable! That is all good to say, unless Blind is playing CB vs say man marking Benteke or another physical striker, then he is toast inside the 18. He is also at a disadvantage against a fast striker, or a striker that can turn you like a bottle top....well let's just say that CB ain't his strongest suit against quality attacking talent. The fallacy is that a player is of more value if they play multiple positions, but certainly a specialist, as Jose calls them, is a much greater force in that position on the pitch, then the multi player. As people have already mentioned, I'd love to see a list of players who've had Blind "on toast" while he's been playing centre back. I understand that's difficult though, as no such list exists. He has barely put a foot wrong in there and I have absolutely no issue seeing his name on the team sheet at the back. |
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Post by Diablo Rouge on Aug 11, 2016 22:05:36 GMT
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Post by Ole's Red Whiteknight03 Army on Aug 11, 2016 22:12:13 GMT
How long does a person have to successfully play the part of something they technically are not to actually become the thing they are 'pretending' to be? Is Mascherano a CB or a CM, and if he is a CB, when did he officially become that? the answer to these questions may go some way to answering your question Bestie. many still hold him as a CM, yet he's been playing as a CB for years now. if HE isn't a CB by now, then Blind cant be either, right? Mascherano was the example that sprung to mind instantly. Both Blind and Mascherano are not traditional CBs in the classic sense, and yet, both played there for substantial amounts of time. Both were able to play the role due to the possession based approach of the players ahead of them which limited their exposure and didn't require the traditional skill set of a classic CB. Change the system and suddenly their lack of traditional CB skills might become a liability. Our possession system is something we are all desperate to move away from. Can Blind thrive in a system where the 6 players ahead of him aren't defending first and attacking when possible? That boring style was what made us the defensive side we were last year, not the defensive brilliance of Smalling/Blind. Carrick and Fletcher were forced to deputize for Vidic/Rio, and failed miserably. Could Blind have replaced either of those CBs successfully? I'm not convinced. Personally I'd have him in front of the back 4 with Pogba, doing the defensive work while allowing Pogba licence to roam and attack when appropriate, as I think that gets the most out of his skill set. Think Alonso/Busquets/Carrick. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2016 22:36:24 GMT
Am I wrong in thinking Blind was a left back at Ajax converted into a cm for a single season?
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Post by dazjoe on Aug 11, 2016 22:40:30 GMT
Why does a player have to have a position?
Blind can play CB, LB, LWB, and DM.
I'm not sure why the need exists to pinpoint which one of those is his position. He can play them all. O'Shea never really had a certain position here, LB, RB, CB, DM, he filled in all of them. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2016 22:42:02 GMT
Why does a player have to have a position?
Blind can play CB, LB, LWB, and DM.
I'm not sure why the need exists to pinpoint which one of those is his position. He can play them all. O'Shea never really had a certain position here, LB, RB, CB, DM, he filled in all of them. Ferguson would love Blind. |
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Post by Diablo Rouge on Aug 11, 2016 22:50:03 GMT
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Post by dsilvaxx2 on Aug 11, 2016 22:57:26 GMT
I also love Blind in the squad. The difference in opinions here is the contention that Blind is a top CB, while also being a top LB and DM. I contend that a specialist who has been through the youth squads at the highest levels of football, has been analyzed and trained at one postion for years and years, is playing at the highest level at that position, is better then the 'Jack of all trades' player being fitted into a position of need.
And a top CB has that certain special quality that has made him stand out, and as much as it might hurt, Blind is not a top CB. Never the less he is one that can help the club win, and as they say, don't look a gift horse in the mouth....
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Post by Bestie on Aug 11, 2016 23:01:49 GMT
Blind is ultimately a very good and intelligent footballer who looks completely at home in any position he's asked to play. Invaluable! That is all good to say, unless Blind is playing CB vs say man marking Benteke or another physical striker, then he is toast inside the 18. He is also at a disadvantage against a fast striker, or a striker that can turn you like a bottle top....well let's just say that CB ain't his strongest suit against quality attacking talent. The fallacy is that a player is of more value if they play multiple positions, but certainly a specialist, as Jose calls them, is a much greater force in that position on the pitch, then the multi player. Did you watch football last season or are you just picking it up this summer? Am I wrong in thinking Blind was a left back at Ajax converted into a cm for a single season? Yes. He started in midfield and converted to left back. |
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Post by dsilvaxx2 on Aug 11, 2016 23:05:16 GMT
Why does a player have to have a position?
Blind can play CB, LB, LWB, and DM.
I'm not sure why the need exists to pinpoint which one of those is his position. He can play them all. O'Shea never really had a certain position here, LB, RB, CB, DM, he filled in all of them. Ferguson would love Blind. True Fergie loved having some players who could fill in for the starters and be comfortable at more then one position. When O'Shea or Brown played in the back it was because Rio or Vidic was crocked. Look at those teams, the starters were solid. Rafeal-Rio-Vidic-Evra...Carrick-Scholes....Giggs-Cr7-Rooney-RvP....Pretty solid team when O'Shea had to fill in, but the point is when the starter was back to fitness, it was bench time for the fill in... |
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Post by dsilvaxx2 on Aug 11, 2016 23:10:23 GMT
That is all good to say, unless Blind is playing CB vs say man marking Benteke or another physical striker, then he is toast inside the 18. He is also at a disadvantage against a fast striker, or a striker that can turn you like a bottle top....well let's just say that CB ain't his strongest suit against quality attacking talent. The fallacy is that a player is of more value if they play multiple positions, but certainly a specialist, as Jose calls them, is a much greater force in that position on the pitch, then the multi player. Did you watch football last season or are you just picking it up this summer? Am I wrong in thinking Blind was a left back at Ajax converted into a cm for a single season? Yes. He started in midfield and converted to left back. Just have a different opinion of Blind and last year. He ending very well, but had many shaky moments early on. Btw, I have been involved with football since 1992, and have been around at many levels to have a valid opinion....regards. |
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Post by Bestie on Aug 11, 2016 23:12:11 GMT
Did you watch football last season or are you just picking it up this summer? Yes. He started in midfield and converted to left back. Just have a different opinion of Blind and last year. He ending very well, but had many shaky moments early on. Btw, I have been involved with football since 1992, and have been around at many levels to have a valid opinion....regards. I actually meant that in virtually your exact example, Blind was excellent against 'a physical player' bar a rocky 15 minutes in the FA Cup semi final, so wondered what your basis for that argument was. |
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