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Post by Stew on Aug 11, 2016 23:15:53 GMT
Blind is ultimately a very good and intelligent footballer who looks completely at home in any position he's asked to play. Invaluable! That is all good to say, unless Blind is playing CB vs say man marking Benteke or another physical striker, then he is toast inside the 18. He is also at a disadvantage against a fast striker, or a striker that can turn you like a bottle top....well let's just say that CB ain't his strongest suit against quality attacking talent. The fallacy is that a player is of more value if they play multiple positions, but certainly a specialist, as Jose calls them, is a much greater force in that position on the pitch, then the multi player. And yet none of those things have ever happened. |
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Post by dsilvaxx2 on Aug 11, 2016 23:24:22 GMT
Just have a different opinion of Blind and last year. He ending very well, but had many shaky moments early on. Btw, I have been involved with football since 1992, and have been around at many levels to have a valid opinion....regards. I actually meant that in virtually your exact example, Blind was excellent against 'a physical player' bar a rocky 15 minutes in the FA Cup semi final, so wondered what your basis for that argument was. My example of not handling a physical player if you are a CB, would be how well does the backline handle corners and set pieces in our defensive third? This is the bread and butter for a central defender so it's very important that the CB's is the muscle that can handle the physicality inside the 18. How many goals were scored with Blind in the backline? How many times did he get beat to the spot? How many times was he out jumped or ridden off by his mark. How many times did his mark leave him. I contend it happened way to much for Blind. Did he play well out of the back, yes. Did he get better in positing and reading the game, yes. I am not knocking Blind, and what he did last year, my point is he isn't a top CB. Let me ask you this, if we were to tell Daily that he was free to find another club, do you think a top club searching for a CB would be banging down our door? Would we get a quality offer of say £24-£32m that a CB would command? I don't think so.... |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Aug 11, 2016 23:36:04 GMT
Is it possible to get some actual examples of all these things?
You know rather than a load of vague statements that prove nothing?
Fucking hell.
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Post by Monty on Aug 12, 2016 0:13:16 GMT
Players like Baresi, Costacurta, Cannavaro, Koeman, McGrath, and Daley's dad were all about the same size or smaller than Daley, and they're considered defensive legends. Their lack of physical presence never did them any harm. And it hasn't done Daley any harm as of yet.
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Post by dazjoe on Aug 12, 2016 0:27:34 GMT
Gary Neville's 5'8. He started out as a centre back and played there a fair few times. I remember him partnering Stam there in '98-'99, which coincided with Stam getting over a slightly rocky start and start playing his best football. He also played centre back for England under Hoddle.
His lack of inches or physicality was never an issue for me, he was a great centre half (just bit better at RB).
Most teams don't play with a pair of 6'4 hulks up front. Meaning your big bad partner can take care of the main physical threat, and the smaller centre back can handle other players.
Your little Blind's of the world will have a struggle against the likes of Duncan Ferguson, obviously, but at the same time the Vidic's and Terry's can struggle against the little speed merchants like Owen or Hernandez, with a much lower centre of gravity and quick feet.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 0:37:08 GMT
Ferguson would love Blind. True Fergie loved having some players who could fill in for the starters and be comfortable at more then one position. When O'Shea or Brown played in the back it was because Rio or Vidic was crocked. Look at those teams, the starters were solid. Rafeal-Rio-Vidic-Evra...Carrick-Scholes....Giggs-Cr7-Rooney-RvP....Pretty solid team when O'Shea had to fill in, but the point is when the starter was back to fitness, it was bench time for the fill in... Blind will most probably end up being our first back up centre back. Don't think any of us are disputing that. |
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Post by grandpaTJ on Aug 12, 2016 1:42:50 GMT
All examples about big strong strikers, or strikers that can turn someone inside out, they do that to majority of defenders they face. Blind
is a smart player, uses his vision to get position and to do his job. Would not surprise me to see him playing quite a bit in the middle, he is
a good partner for Bailly, knows the league and will help him get settled in. I expect to see quite a bit of Blind playing in the back
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Post by Bestie on Aug 12, 2016 9:31:46 GMT
I actually meant that in virtually your exact example, Blind was excellent against 'a physical player' bar a rocky 15 minutes in the FA Cup semi final, so wondered what your basis for that argument was. My example of not handling a physical player if you are a CB, would be how well does the backline handle corners and set pieces in our defensive third? This is the bread and butter for a central defender so it's very important that the CB's is the muscle that can handle the physicality inside the 18. How many goals were scored with Blind in the backline? How many times did he get beat to the spot? How many times was he out jumped or ridden off by his mark. How many times did his mark leave him. I contend it happened way to much for Blind. Did he play well out of the back, yes. Did he get better in positing and reading the game, yes. I am not knocking Blind, and what he did last year, my point is he isn't a top CB. Let me ask you this, if we were to tell Daily that he was free to find another club, do you think a top club searching for a CB would be banging down our door? Would we get a quality offer of say £24-£32m that a CB would command? I don't think so.... We conceded 55 goals last season. Not that many. Not that many. |
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Post by Tatty on Aug 12, 2016 10:11:52 GMT
Anyway, Blind is staying in all likelihood. However, Mata to Everton has reared it's ugly head again.
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Post by Bestie on Aug 12, 2016 10:14:16 GMT
After the Charity Shield sub-subbed thing that was always going to happen. Throw in that Everton have most of the Stones money. However, they're targeting players like Ashley Williams and Bolasie so to say they're also after Juan Mata should be utterly laughable.
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Post by Tatty on Aug 12, 2016 10:26:52 GMT
After the Charity Shield sub-subbed thing that was always going to happen. Throw in that Everton have most of the Stones money. However, they're targeting players like Ashley Williams and Bolasie so to say they're also after Juan Mata should be utterly laughable. I would've taken Williams at £12mill for a couple of years to add a bit of solid experience at the back. But agreed on other points. |
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Post by mightyez on Aug 12, 2016 10:28:14 GMT
blind staying we'd be abit silly to sell unless the offer was totally ridiculous even at that he is priceless, makes no trouble and does what he is asked with aplomb and grace.
on Mata, he just is far better than rooney and should start ahead of him but that's not likely, if we can bag 30 million and above then I would see him being sold sadly but we have players like mhiki that can come in nicely.
if selling mata means going 433 for that reason and that alone I'd let him go.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 11:23:21 GMT
My example of not handling a physical player if you are a CB, would be how well does the backline handle corners and set pieces in our defensive third? This is the bread and butter for a central defender so it's very important that the CB's is the muscle that can handle the physicality inside the 18. How many goals were scored with Blind in the backline? How many times did he get beat to the spot? How many times was he out jumped or ridden off by his mark. How many times did his mark leave him. I contend it happened way to much for Blind. Did he play well out of the back, yes. Did he get better in positing and reading the game, yes. I am not knocking Blind, and what he did last year, my point is he isn't a top CB. Let me ask you this, if we were to tell Daily that he was free to find another club, do you think a top club searching for a CB would be banging down our door? Would we get a quality offer of say £24-£32m that a CB would command? I don't think so.... We conceded 55 goals last season. Not that many. Not that many. Second least in the league. |
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Post by juanveron on Aug 12, 2016 12:09:37 GMT
Saying that selling a player like Blind would be stupid is an understatement - he can play well in 3 different positions and seems to have a great attitude.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 12:15:00 GMT
Janoozai has gone to sunderland on loan
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