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Post by Ole's Red Whiteknight03 Army on Jul 3, 2016 14:07:20 GMT
Put up with him because he gets made an integral part of the side by managers, so it's in our best interest for him to play well but he shouldn't be getting in our starting 11 anymore, especially if we bring in another cm. He was appalling for huge chunks of last season and only came on a little towards the end. Aye but that coming on towards the end led to our FA Cup win. I rate Mata and Herrera but they've been far from convincing when called upon, I'm not saying we have to accommodate Roo but picking the team now he'd be there on merit. I guess it's just me who is quite looking forward to Zlatan, Jose and possibly Micky pushing Roo and a fired up Wayne is a player worth having. A top notch CM would push him to the brink but until then... I am usually not the one to quote chapter and verse from the Gospel According to Fergie, and while he made plenty of mistakes in the transfer market, the one thing he rarely got wrong was knowing when a player was past it and needed to be shipped out. If Fergie had managed one more summer, Rooney would have been sold, and Fergie, once again, would've been spot on. The fact that lesser lights such as Moyes, LvG and Hodgson have tried to shoe horn him into the squad/team to placate the media/uninformed public doesn't mean he's worthy of that place. |
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Post by Dave on Jul 3, 2016 14:13:30 GMT
No he didn't and he wasn't. He contributed, which is a nice change. That's it. Which doesn't excuse three years of dross and five years of overall decline. Some contribution is better than nothing. Top goalscorer and provider, yeah you're right he's shit. |
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Post by Monty on Jul 3, 2016 14:14:23 GMT
Aye but that coming on towards the end led to our FA Cup win. I rate Mata and Herrera but they've been far from convincing when called upon, I'm not saying we have to accommodate Roo but picking the team now he'd be there on merit. I guess it's just me who is quite looking forward to Zlatan, Jose and possibly Micky pushing Roo and a fired up Wayne is a player worth having. A top notch CM would push him to the brink but until then... I am usually not the one to quote chapter and verse from the Gospel According to Fergie, and while he made plenty of mistakes in the transfer market, the one thing he rarely got wrong was knowing when a player was past it and needed to be shipped out. If Fergie had managed one more summer, Rooney would have been sold, and Fergie, once again, would've been spot on. The fact that lesser lights such as Moyes, LvG and Hodgson have tried to shoe horn him into the squad/team to placate the media/uninformed public doesn't mean he's worthy of that place. It doesn't help that the media, particularly ex-pro pundits, keep banging on the Rooney drum. Every time he's not objectively awful, twats like shearer and Murphy talk him up like he's in line for the Ballon d'Or. It's almost like they've taken a backhander. |
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Post by Ole's Red Whiteknight03 Army on Jul 3, 2016 14:20:39 GMT
No he didn't and he wasn't. He contributed, which is a nice change. That's it. Which doesn't excuse three years of dross and five years of overall decline. Some contribution is better than nothing. Top goalscorer and provider, yeah you're right he's shit. Remember when Fergie sold RvN to make space for Ronaldo to thrive? Imagine Rooney as RvN and the rest of the squad as Ronaldo. |
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Post by Dave on Jul 3, 2016 14:41:59 GMT
Remember when Fergie sold RvN to make space for Ronaldo to thrive? Imagine Rooney as RvN and the rest of the squad as Ronaldo. I'm not disagreeing with you on Sir Alex and he more than likely wouldn't be at the club, probably be at Mou's Chelsea of all places. With Moyes and LVG at the helm would we have been better off without him, that we do not know, given the way we've gone I doubt it. |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jul 3, 2016 14:52:25 GMT
No he didn't and he wasn't. He contributed, which is a nice change. That's it. Which doesn't excuse three years of dross and five years of overall decline. Some contribution is better than nothing. Top goalscorer and provider, yeah you're right he's shit. Ummm.... Top goalscorer? Nope - that was Martial Top provider? Nope - that was Mata His last contribution to our fa cup win was his goal in the 4th round. Fellaini, Mata, Lingard & Martial all scored the same amount of goals as him. Anything else you would like to offer in his defence? |
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Post by Dave on Jul 3, 2016 14:59:02 GMT
Some contribution is better than nothing. Top goalscorer and provider, yeah you're right he's shit. Ummm.... Top goalscorer? Nope - that was Martial Top provider? Nope - that was Mata His last contribution to our fa cup win was his goal in the 4th round. Fellaini, Mata, Lingard & Martial all scored the same amount of goals as him. Anything else you would like to offer in his defence? Over the past three years in the league when he was dross. More assists than Mata last season and you know exactly what I mean with the FA Cup. |
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Post by smithy2 on Jul 3, 2016 15:52:08 GMT
Ummm.... Top goalscorer? Nope - that was Martial Top provider? Nope - that was Mata His last contribution to our fa cup win was his goal in the 4th round. Fellaini, Mata, Lingard & Martial all scored the same amount of goals as him. Anything else you would like to offer in his defence? Over the past three years in the league when he was dross. More assists than Mata last season and you know exactly what I mean with the FA Cup. I'm going to save you a world of hurt mate. Everyone one on here think's Rooney is dross mate. I defended Rooney on here for a long time partly because of the player he was and because he was the best of a bad lot. Now however we have much better attacking options now so Rooney is surplus to requirements up top and he just simply isn’t good enough be win it for us in midfield. I mean don’t get me wrong he had put in some decent performances for us in midfield but at no point have I looked at him and thought to myself we are going to win the title with Rooney in the middle. He lacks pace, rarely threads a ball through and struggles to find the target from outside the box. I think that he could do a job for a team like West Ham, Everton etc but we will not win the title with Rooney in midfield. |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jul 3, 2016 16:03:37 GMT
Ummm.... Top goalscorer? Nope - that was Martial Top provider? Nope - that was Mata His last contribution to our fa cup win was his goal in the 4th round. Fellaini, Mata, Lingard & Martial all scored the same amount of goals as him. Anything else you would like to offer in his defence? Over the past three years in the league when he was dross. More assists than Mata last season and you know exactly what I mean with the FA Cup. Mata 11 assists, martial 7, depay, herrera & rooney 6. As for the fa cup, what exactly was his contribution other than playing? Cos he didnt provide any assists. |
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Post by Dave on Jul 3, 2016 16:20:20 GMT
Over the past three years in the league when he was dross. More assists than Mata last season and you know exactly what I mean with the FA Cup. Mata 11 assists, martial 7, depay, herrera & rooney 6. As for the fa cup, what exactly was his contribution other than playing? Cos he didnt provide any assists. In the league, Rooney 6 & Mata 5. Do you remember that run he made to provide the equaliser for Mata in the final, when all others looked clueless Rooney made it happen. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2016 16:53:30 GMT
Put up with him because he gets made an integral part of the side by managers, so it's in our best interest for him to play well but he shouldn't be getting in our starting 11 anymore, especially if we bring in another cm. He was appalling for huge chunks of last season and only came on a little towards the end. Aye but that coming on towards the end led to our FA Cup win. I rate Mata and Herrera but they've been far from convincing when called upon, I'm not saying we have to accommodate Roo but picking the team now he'd be there on merit. I guess it's just me who is quite looking forward to Zlatan, Jose and possibly Micky pushing Roo and a fired up Wayne is a player worth having. A top notch CM would push him to the brink but until then... Funny No he didn't and he wasn't. He contributed, which is a nice change. That's it. Which doesn't excuse three years of dross and five years of overall decline. Some contribution is better than nothing. Top goalscorer and provider, yeah you're right he's shit. Mata 11 assists, martial 7, depay, herrera & rooney 6. As for the fa cup, what exactly was his contribution other than playing? Cos he didnt provide any assists. In the league, Rooney 6 & Mata 5. Do you remember that run he made to provide the equaliser for Mata in the final, when all others looked clueless Rooney made it happen.
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Post by Dave on Jul 3, 2016 17:04:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2016 17:06:10 GMT
Then I call Scouse. Only someone who wants us to be shit would think Rooney has any worth to the team. |
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Post by Big_Rons_Leather_Coat on Jul 3, 2016 17:15:11 GMT
Then I call Scouse. Only someone who wants us to be shit would think Rooney has any worth to the team. Let's hope Jose the best football manager in the world doesn't rate him then or else your statement might look rather foolish. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2016 17:17:50 GMT
Then I call Scouse. Only someone who wants us to be shit would think Rooney has any worth to the team. Let's hope Jose the best football manager in the world doesn't rate him then or else your statement might look rather foolish. If Jose rates him, then he's fucking blind too. |
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