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Post by Stew on Feb 10, 2020 15:26:02 GMT
The former political wing of the IRA gaining power in Ireland. The rise of nationalism is scary right now. Thats reductive in the extreme. The vote here has had very little to do with nationalism, it’s a protest vote by younger people against a two party system which has failed them over the last decade when it comes to housing and healthcare. Have you any idea of the housing crisis over here? It’s appalling. Sein Fein hasn’t run on a national card, that doesn’t wash in the republic. And its probably one of the most pro-immigration parties there is in Ireland. In fact, the far right, blatantly nationalistic parties have been destroyed, getting less than 2% of the vote. And no I didn’t vote for SF.
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Post by smithy2 on Feb 10, 2020 15:42:26 GMT
The former political wing of the IRA gaining power in Ireland. The rise of nationalism is scary right now. Thats reductive in the extreme. The vote here has had very little to do with nationalism, it’s a protest vote by younger people against a two party system which has failed them over the last decade when it comes to housing and healthcare. Have you any idea of the housing crisis over here? It’s appalling. Sein Fein hasn’t run on a national card, that doesn’t wash in the republic. And its probably one of the most pro-immigration parties there is in Ireland. In fact, the far right, blatantly nationalistic parties have been destroyed, getting less than 2% of the vote. And no I didn’t vote for SF. Protest vote or not this is the same political party that were euroskepitcs for decades voting against an increase in EU powers and against the Lisbon treaty. Anti abortion (only recently shifting that position to after 12 weeks) and their main political goal remains uniting Ireland politically and by language.
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Post by Stew on Feb 10, 2020 16:01:53 GMT
Thats reductive in the extreme. The vote here has had very little to do with nationalism, it’s a protest vote by younger people against a two party system which has failed them over the last decade when it comes to housing and healthcare. Have you any idea of the housing crisis over here? It’s appalling. Sein Fein hasn’t run on a national card, that doesn’t wash in the republic. And its probably one of the most pro-immigration parties there is in Ireland. In fact, the far right, blatantly nationalistic parties have been destroyed, getting less than 2% of the vote. And no I didn’t vote for SF. Protest vote or not this is the same political party that were euroskepitcs for decades voting against an increase in EU powers and against the Lisbon treaty. Anti abortion (only recently shifting that position to after 12 weeks) and their main political goal remains uniting Ireland politically and by language. None of which has anything to do with nationalism in the sense you mean. You’re trying to lump this in with Brexit and Trump when in reality it’s the opposite.
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Post by smithy2 on Feb 10, 2020 16:11:15 GMT
Protest vote or not this is the same political party that were euroskepitcs for decades voting against an increase in EU powers and against the Lisbon treaty. Anti abortion (only recently shifting that position to after 12 weeks) and their main political goal remains uniting Ireland politically and by language. None of which has anything to do with nationalism in the sense you mean. You’re trying to lump this in with Brexit and Trump when in reality it’s the opposite. That’s right wing nationalism, they are left wing nationalists. Nationalism regardless of which political ideology is behind it still has a huge focus on self interest over the collective good.
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Post by Stew on Feb 10, 2020 16:30:12 GMT
None of which has anything to do with nationalism in the sense you mean. You’re trying to lump this in with Brexit and Trump when in reality it’s the opposite. That’s right wing nationalism, they are left wing nationalists. Nationalism regardless of which political ideology is behind it still has a huge focus on self interest over the collective good. And how do you see this manifesting itself here? There is no desire to retreat from Europe, there is no talk of limiting immigration (apart from the usual nut jobs on the fringes who, as I said, were handed their arses in the election) and there is a reality amongst most people in the South about the very complex nature of Northern Ireland. There isn’t a rabid desire to reclaim back the 6 counties down here if that’s what you’re suggesting. Whoever SF gets into government with will have a lot of say in regards to policy too. The idea of some sort of Hibernian bogeyman plotting its next move belongs in Punch in the 19th century.
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Post by smithy2 on Feb 10, 2020 20:01:13 GMT
That’s right wing nationalism, they are left wing nationalists. Nationalism regardless of which political ideology is behind it still has a huge focus on self interest over the collective good. And how do you see this manifesting itself here? There is no desire to retreat from Europe, there is no talk of limiting immigration (apart from the usual nut jobs on the fringes who, as I said, were handed their arses in the election) and there is a reality amongst most people in the South about the very complex nature of Northern Ireland. There isn’t a rabid desire to reclaim back the 6 counties down here if that’s what you’re suggesting. Whoever SF gets into government with will have a lot of say in regards to policy too. The idea of some sort of Hibernian bogeyman plotting its next move belongs in Punch in the 19th century. We’ll see but I find it very hard to believe that SF will abandon its core principle of uniting Ireland .
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Feb 10, 2020 21:07:51 GMT
Wait, you mean Brexit was all about re-establishing The Empire?
Drats, and Trump was making such a good go of things in the US too.
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Post by Bestie on Feb 10, 2020 22:03:19 GMT
None of which has anything to do with nationalism in the sense you mean. You’re trying to lump this in with Brexit and Trump when in reality it’s the opposite. That’s right wing nationalism, they are left wing nationalists. Nationalism regardless of which political ideology is behind it still has a huge focus on self interest over the collective good. They aren't nationalists. They're republicans.
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Post by johnboy14 on Feb 11, 2020 13:52:53 GMT
Mary Lou McDonald has been on TV and radio this morning talking about making the case for a united Ireland within the EU. I'm sorry Mary but that's our call not yours, consent is clearly written into the Good Friday agreement.
It is great to see the two big Irish parties getting a good kicking because they have done an incredibly shit job when it comes to housing but unless SF won the election outright, implementing there housing policies will be a challenge. Plus the other Irish parties would rather exclude SF. The terms in the Trokia state that countries cannot run a deficit in excess of 7.5%, Ireland is already at those limits, so how are they going to borrow what's necessary to fix there housing crisis?
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Post by Stew on Feb 11, 2020 14:59:51 GMT
Mary Lou McDonald has been on TV and radio this morning talking about making the case for a united Ireland within the EU. I'm sorry Mary but that's our call not yours, consent is clearly written into the Good Friday agreement. It is great to see the two big Irish parties getting a good kicking because they have done an incredibly shit job when it comes to housing but unless SF won the election outright, implementing there housing policies will be a challenge. Plus the other Irish parties would rather exclude SF. The terms in the Trokia state that countries cannot run a deficit in excess of 7.5%, Ireland is already at those limits, so how are they going to borrow what's necessary to fix there housing crisis? Good point. People in the South with the ability to function calmly knows the Good Friday agreement isn’t a one-way street and needs to be treated with the respect it deserves.
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Post by Bestie on Feb 11, 2020 15:31:40 GMT
Mary Lou McDonald has been on TV and radio this morning talking about making the case for a united Ireland within the EU. I'm sorry Mary but that's our call not yours, consent is clearly written into the Good Friday agreement. It is great to see the two big Irish parties getting a good kicking because they have done an incredibly shit job when it comes to housing but unless SF won the election outright, implementing there housing policies will be a challenge. Plus the other Irish parties would rather exclude SF. The terms in the Trokia state that countries cannot run a deficit in excess of 7.5%, Ireland is already at those limits, so how are they going to borrow what's necessary to fix there housing crisis? Good point. People in the South with the ability to function calmly knows the Good Friday agreement isn’t a one-way street and needs to be treated with the respect it deserves. It's a load of shite that needs binning or completely rewritten.
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Post by johnboy14 on Feb 11, 2020 16:04:41 GMT
Good point. People in the South with the ability to function calmly knows the Good Friday agreement isn’t a one-way street and needs to be treated with the respect it deserves. It's a load of shite that needs binning or completely rewritten. That pile of shit has done alot for N Ireland. It's not perfect but better it than what my parents had to live through.
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Post by Bestie on Feb 15, 2020 17:04:35 GMT
It's a load of shite that needs binning or completely rewritten. That pile of shit has done alot for N Ireland. It's not perfect but better it than what my parents had to live through. All it's done is allow people elsewhere to pretend 'we fixed it'. Pushed all the resentments and the mistrust out of the public eye, forcing it to fester in each community. That's why the DUP and those terrorist cunts are the two biggest parties now. We need to wipe the slate clean of all of them.
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Post by smithy2 on Mar 7, 2020 21:39:51 GMT
This thread title describes the scenes in Asda today when i stopped by to grab a pizza.
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Post by smithy2 on Mar 12, 2020 14:43:16 GMT
Global markets in free fall right now
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