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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 6:29:31 GMT
And again I disagree with you. What you're saying doesn't make sense. You don't get better by getting rid of players, you get better by bringing in better players. If you have 11 good players & 11 shit ones & you get rid of 6 off the shit player you are far, far worse off because injuries & bad form are inevitable. fully get what your saying, however if am right what bestie is saying is get rid of that dross and replace bit by bit with quality. it's got to be quality over quantity, that's what rebuilding is about, by quality and then promote some youth that are deserving to fill in some gaps. We can do that but we haven't really. we still have blind, darmian, rojo, fellaini, smalling (keep mike) roaming around and whichever way you look at it that's 50 million worst case that can be raised from those sales, take that money and get a 50 million midfielder or fullback/wingback Why not just buy the quality first. Doesn't that make more sense? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 6:35:13 GMT
actually I still have the hole in my wall when we were 3-0 down in short time against Arsenal the other season. Kicked my PC, threw my watch at my other pc and broke it. Been there. Had a picture "Tactically placed" to hide a united defeat. I now have a permanent scar on my face from throwing the remote in disgust, and it then bouncing back into my face from the stoke game earlier this season. |
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Post by mightyez on Dec 21, 2017 7:09:06 GMT
If these are deadwood waiting to be shipped then why can't Tuanzebe, Fosu-Mensah and Shaw (bar last week) get a game? Are they going to when we finally get our shiny 30-million replacements? It seems like every year we have to ship off deadwood. It wouldn’t be that way if a sledge hammer was applied when Jose first arrived. I was calling for it big time, I know some people like Tojo flat out would t move but others we should have taken the hit in hindsight. Let’s me honest for all Jose’s short comings that squad beyond 14/15 players is not up to the required level. The names I mentioned I genuinely think just should be sent out in January. |
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Post by mightyez on Dec 21, 2017 7:10:22 GMT
fully get what your saying, however if am right what bestie is saying is get rid of that dross and replace bit by bit with quality. it's got to be quality over quantity, that's what rebuilding is about, by quality and then promote some youth that are deserving to fill in some gaps. We can do that but we haven't really. we still have blind, darmian, rojo, fellaini, smalling (keep mike) roaming around and whichever way you look at it that's 50 million worst case that can be raised from those sales, take that money and get a 50 million midfielder or fullback/wingback If these are deadwood waiting to be shipped then why can't Tuanzebe, Fosu-Mensah and Shaw (bar last week) get a game? Are they going to when we finally get our shiny 30-million replacements? Think you will find many have called for them to be playing, think they would do better. Young hungry, talented and eager to impress |
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Post by mightyez on Dec 21, 2017 7:13:38 GMT
fully get what your saying, however if am right what bestie is saying is get rid of that dross and replace bit by bit with quality. it's got to be quality over quantity, that's what rebuilding is about, by quality and then promote some youth that are deserving to fill in some gaps. We can do that but we haven't really. we still have blind, darmian, rojo, fellaini, smalling (keep mike) roaming around and whichever way you look at it that's 50 million worst case that can be raised from those sales, take that money and get a 50 million midfielder or fullback/wingback Why not just buy the quality first. Doesn't that make more sense? Economically no. Let’s face it we are a business more than a football club in the eyes of those that run the club. The business side says if you buy first especially the numbers needed you weaken your selling hand as teams know you are desperate to sell and naturally you are forced to accept silly bids to get the players off the books. There are 15 solid players there, i’d Be in favour of letting youth fill the gaps whilst buying 3 maybe 4 each window until we are where we want to be in terms of players and squad competition. However deadwood should be shipped out regardless |
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Post by On a break on Dec 21, 2017 7:38:28 GMT
I'll say the same thing I say every year. No point moving on the players who aren't good enough until we sign ones who actually are. I'll say the same thing I say every time you say that. It's a stupid argument. If a team is only as good as it's weakest player, then get rid of the weakest player. Suddenly, your worst isn't as bad anymore. That's what Citeh have done, they have replaced their weakest link with each transfer and done it pretty quickly. I hate to mention Citeh but they are the best team by a mile at the moment and you have to measure us against whoever is better at the time, we have some dross at this club at the moment and they should have been replaced this summer gone, Jose should have been more aggressive in the transfer market. |
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Post by redcase on Dec 21, 2017 7:53:18 GMT
The joys of having owners like Citeh's .
The cull is usually swift and brutal , and the chequebook is out without hesitation. Even Ferguson would struggle against that. He did when Jose came to the league first. We went 3 years without winning the league.
This is similar to that. With owners like ours and an inept leadership at the CEO level combined with utterly clueless managers like Moyes , the damage will take longer to undo.
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Post by redcase on Dec 21, 2017 7:54:54 GMT
People talking about the style of play with Jose , and then fondly remember Van Gaal in the other thread...
Odd, to say the least.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 8:08:22 GMT
Ship them out after we win league. Doing it before is pointless.
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Post by redcase on Dec 21, 2017 8:31:44 GMT
Ship them out after we win league. Doing it before is pointless. ?? We will not win the league with them so why do you want to keep them ?? Have we learned nothing from what Guardiola has done there ? You need to get RID of the wasters not prop them up with a wage. |
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Post by Bestie on Dec 21, 2017 9:24:53 GMT
And again I disagree with you. What you're saying doesn't make sense. You don't get better by getting rid of players, you get better by bringing in better players. If you have 11 good players & 11 shit ones & you get rid of 6 off the shit player you are far, far worse off because injuries & bad form are inevitable. fully get what your saying, however if am right what bestie is saying is get rid of that dross and replace bit by bit with quality. it's got to be quality over quantity, that's what rebuilding is about, by quality and then promote some youth that are deserving to fill in some gaps. We can do that but we haven't really. we still have blind, darmian, rojo, fellaini, smalling (keep mike) roaming around and whichever way you look at it that's 50 million worst case that can be raised from those sales, take that money and get a 50 million midfielder or fullback/wingback Thank you. Ship them out after we win league. Doing it before is pointless. Dunno if you're trying to be funny but it's coming across as just being clueless. Not having a go, just mentioning it. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Dec 21, 2017 9:28:50 GMT
People talking about the style of play with Jose , and then fondly remember Van Gaal in the other thread... Odd, to say the least. I can understand missing LVG’s personality, but not the football! |
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Post by Karma on Dec 21, 2017 10:04:00 GMT
Another game I've missed due to work which makes it easier to not get annoyed about it. We are still in a strong position, we are still an improved team. That said I'm not bothered about missing the games atm. it feels a bit stale. It is weird how little I am bothered about missing games recently, especially for reasons such as tonight (watching Peaky Blinders, which tbf was class). Am I less interested in football overall? I don’t think so, I still spend toms of time on sites like this. Am I sick of dull football? It’s hardly ideal a lot of the time but it was worse under the last two managers for the most part. Perhaps I feel a bit ground down after years of the meh football under 3 managers. Maybe I’m just getting older and other things naturally come to the fore more. Maybe it’s just because I wasn’t that bothered about the Carabao Cup, and most other games I’ve missed (only 2 more I think, but a couple of CL games were on ‘in the background’ at best) were because they weren’t on Sky and rivering is a huge pain. Genuinely don’t know the answer. Sometimes I think the forums provide more entertainment value at times than the football. Seriously I do find myself getting more bored watching football these days and it's not just United. Maybe I'm spoilt from the Fergie years mind? So many expensive underperforming players, the majority of which have little loyalty to the club they play for. Its the same with the National side too. I used to find a lot of the CL games boring but now I find that feeling is creeping into domestic games. That's one of the reasons I enjoy going watching non league games. It's actually enjoyable despite wondering how many shit goals we are going to concede or what the result is going to be. Im planning on going to watch FC Utd v Salford on Boxing Day. I know the atmosphere will be great and it will be packed to the rafters. I don't think all the over hyped promotion of the game helps either. It seems to add to the disappointment when the game fails to deliver. |
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Post by Karma on Dec 21, 2017 10:11:35 GMT
People talking about the style of play with Jose , and then fondly remember Van Gaal in the other thread... Odd, to say the least. I fondly remember his press conferences ,some big games, and the FA cup win, that's about it. Certainly not the football, elevating Rooney to undeserved status, selling off his competition, replacing deadwood with more expensive deadwood. Not giving Zaha a fair chance. The month of December in his second season, including the CL exit and the pathetic tie against Liverpool in the EL. The MK dons game. Also by the sounds of it turning down Toni Kroos. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 10:31:15 GMT
Was having a similar conversation with my mate last night basically saying how we're both getting a little bored of football (He's also a United fan who used to be a season ticket holder). Makes you feel like a glory hunter because this boredom has come during an unsuccessful period (in terms of the big competitions) but it's nothing to do with trophies.
It's the garbage football we've watched in the last 5 years despite spending a large amount, it's the embarrassing way the club is being run, the lack of a decent plan for the future. Other stuff like how easy players go down and insane and ever rising transfer fees don't help either.
It's just not that enjoyable to watch at the moment. Mind you I still haven't missed a United game in god knows how long.
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