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Post by Karma on Dec 21, 2017 10:44:02 GMT
Was having a similar conversation with my mate last night basically saying how we're both getting a little bored of football (He's also a United fan who used to be a season ticket holder). Makes you feel like a glory hunter because this boredom has come during an unsuccessful period (in terms of the big competitions) but it's nothing to do with trophies. It's the garbage football we've watched in the last 5 years despite spending a large amount, it's the embarrassing way the club is being run, the lack of a decent plan for the future. Other stuff like how easy players go down and insane and ever rising transfer fees don't help either. It's just not that enjoyable to watch at the moment. Mind you I still haven't missed a United game in god knows how long. My husband had a season ticket for United during the 90s and early 2000's and he says the entertainment factor is lacking but it's not just United. I had had three uncles who were the same but during the 70's and 80's mainly. One used to go to loads of away games and watched plenty of derbies and often came back in a bad mood after a game but even he said he enjoyed the game more then. I think a lot has been lost through over commercialisation, oil money, too many televised games. I think there is a lot more cynicism and apathy towards football now. I mean I know we laugh when Ed announces another global nobody partnership but it's all gone a bit shit and the whole thing feels like one big PR exercise rather than football. I don't think our board have a fecking clue either. God knows who will be appointed when Jose goes. |
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Post by Bestie on Dec 21, 2017 10:53:31 GMT
Football in general is definitely worse now than even ten years ago. It's 'entertainment' now, rather than sport. It used to be entertainment came from watching the sporting competition, but now it's all over-refined, over-sanitised bullshit.
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Post by Stew on Dec 21, 2017 11:20:56 GMT
Football in general is definitely worse now than even ten years ago. It's 'entertainment' now, rather than sport. It used to be entertainment came from watching the sporting competition, but now it's all over-refined, over-sanitised bullshit. This. And I’m sorry if it seems like sour grapes but the Oil clubs have largely destroyed football. The likes of PSG and City are a cancer to the sport. Very soon we’ll need an NFL style salary cap in order to keep fans interested as the same teams will win league after league and cup after cup. However, an NFL style cap is virtually impossible to agree so football is fucked. |
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Post by Sméagol on Dec 21, 2017 11:33:06 GMT
Football in general is definitely worse now than even ten years ago. It's 'entertainment' now, rather than sport. It used to be entertainment came from watching the sporting competition, but it's all over-refined, over-sanitised bullshit. This. And I’m sorry if it seems like sour grapes but the Oil clubs have largely destroyed football. The likes of PSG and City are a cancer to the sport. Very soon we’ll need an NFL style salary cap in order to keep fans interested as the same teams will win league after league and cup after cup. However, an NFL style cap is virtually impossible to agree so football is fucked. Been reading somewhere that UEFA is looking to implement a cap space or something similar. Considering we're talking about UEFA, they'll probably end up ruining football for good though. |
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Post by Karma on Dec 21, 2017 11:37:01 GMT
Football in general is definitely worse now than even ten years ago. It's 'entertainment' now, rather than sport. It used to be entertainment came from watching the sporting competition, but it's all over-refined, over-sanitised bullshit. This. And I’m sorry if it seems like sour grapes but the Oil clubs have largely destroyed football. The likes of PSG and City are a cancer to the sport. Very soon we’ll need an NFL style salary cap in order to keep fans interested as the same teams will win league after league and cup after cup. However, an NFL style cap is virtually impossible to agree so football is fucked. They are both practically the same points difference ahead of second place in both leagues. How is this healthy competition? |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Dec 21, 2017 11:49:52 GMT
This. And I’m sorry if it seems like sour grapes but the Oil clubs have largely destroyed football. The likes of PSG and City are a cancer to the sport. Very soon we’ll need an NFL style salary cap in order to keep fans interested as the same teams will win league after league and cup after cup. However, an NFL style cap is virtually impossible to agree so football is fucked. Been reading somewhere that UEFA is looking to implement a cap space or something similar. Considering we're talking about UEFA, they'll probably end up ruining football for good though. This has been bought up several times over the past 10 years or so. Pretty sure it can't be done at all due to EU laws/regulations. After Brexit it might be a different story. |
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Post by Stew on Dec 21, 2017 12:04:42 GMT
Been reading somewhere that UEFA is looking to implement a cap space or something similar. Considering we're talking about UEFA, they'll probably end up ruining football for good though. This has been bought up several times over the past 10 years or so. Pretty sure it can't be done at all due to EU laws/regulations. After Brexit it might be a different story. Yep. No chance of it happening under EU law. |
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Post by _ on Dec 21, 2017 12:10:23 GMT
The joys of having owners like Citeh's . The cull is usually swift and brutal , and the chequebook is out without hesitation. Even Ferguson would struggle against that. He did when Jose came to the league first. We went 3 years without winning the league. This is similar to that. With owners like ours and an inept leadership at the CEO level combined with utterly clueless managers like Moyes , the damage will take longer to undo. some posters Post that Citehs owners spend spend spend, then others put up figures saying we have spent the same net figure in the last 5 years. Which is it? They also had deadwood for years and arseholes hanging around like Wayne Bridge, Nasri, Jesus, Mangala, Toure etc.. Guardiola shipped a load of players this year and last and got what he wanted. He also improved certain players dramatically like Sterling, De Bruyne, Stones. Guardiola started with the majority of a squad more suited to his style and improved it with good recruitment and coaching. I don't think a lot of the players we have suit Mourinho's style including Mata, Martial, Mikki and there is a lot of deadwood that will surely be moved on! I think in his defence (Jose) had less to work with and more to change particularly up front! and we had a mid table midfield before Matic and Pogba came and still need at least two good MF players in that team/squad. Pogba has missed half the season and is our most creative MF player. He couldn't buy a top striker in Year 1 but did well temporarily with Zlatan. Jan and Summer windows are massive now. He surely must know what he needs and who has to go at this stage, so hopefully we get it right this time. |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Dec 21, 2017 12:12:33 GMT
Players didn't get back to north-west until 5am this morning. Planned flight home cancelled due to fog so came on team bus.
Plenty of time for them to sort things out so.
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Post by _ on Dec 21, 2017 12:16:33 GMT
This should focus their minds now anyway. We should finish the league strong with some consistency and win the FA CUP and Chanpions League.. Simples  |
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Post by juanveron on Dec 21, 2017 12:19:14 GMT
Football in general is definitely worse now than even ten years ago. It's 'entertainment' now, rather than sport. It used to be entertainment came from watching the sporting competition, but now it's all over-refined, over-sanitised bullshit. This. And I’m sorry if it seems like sour grapes but the Oil clubs have largely destroyed football. The likes of PSG and City are a cancer to the sport. Very soon we’ll need an NFL style salary cap in order to keep fans interested as the same teams will win league after league and cup after cup. However, an NFL style cap is virtually impossible to agree so football is fucked. It’s not sour grapes, it’s actually very accurate. I’d also add Chelsea to that list - their takeover and the amount of cash that was suddenly splashed signaled the beginning of the age of immediate success in football. I will say this though, we’ve spent over the last 3-4 years the kind of money that took teams like PSG and City from nothing to the top of their domestic leagues, and we’ve failed to qualify to the CL through the league in 3 out of those 4 years - so clearly the answer isn’t just splashing money in order to fix whatever it is that’s wrong. My 2 cents on the matter is that we need to accept that change of management in football in this day and age is very frequent. For us to make sure that there’s a blueprint for success that is being followed over time we need to hire a director of football, who will oversee the recruitment of players that fit the long term aspirations of the club - especially when it comes to their character and ability to be a part of the club for the long haul. |
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Post by Karma on Dec 21, 2017 12:47:49 GMT
This. And I’m sorry if it seems like sour grapes but the Oil clubs have largely destroyed football. The likes of PSG and City are a cancer to the sport. Very soon we’ll need an NFL style salary cap in order to keep fans interested as the same teams will win league after league and cup after cup. However, an NFL style cap is virtually impossible to agree so football is fucked. It’s not sour grapes, it’s actually very accurate. I’d also add Chelsea to that list - their takeover and the amount of cash that was suddenly splashed signaled the beginning of the age of immediate success in football. I will say this though, we’ve spent over the last 3-4 years the kind of money that took teams like PSG and City from nothing to the top of their domestic leagues, and we’ve failed to qualify to the CL through the league in 3 out of those 4 years - so clearly the answer isn’t just splashing money in order to fix whatever it is that’s wrong. My 2 cents on the matter is that we need to accept that change of management in football in this day and age is very frequent. For us to make sure that there’s a blueprint for success that is being followed over time we need to hire a director of football, who will oversee the recruitment of players that fit the long term aspirations of the club - especially when it comes to their character and ability to be a part of the club for the long haul. The issue is I think the club don't want one. Our CEO seems to think he's some kind of omnipotent presence. Isnt it about time fingers were pointed in that direction? |
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Post by RAZ on Dec 21, 2017 13:35:41 GMT
i'm on the brink to skip the leicester game. my interest in that game is very low but maybe its also down to having the flu since yesterday and feeling shit.uniteds performance didnt make it any better...fucking tossers
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 14:17:41 GMT
Football in general is definitely worse now than even ten years ago. It's 'entertainment' now, rather than sport. It used to be entertainment came from watching the sporting competition, but now it's all over-refined, over-sanitised bullshit. This. And I’m sorry if it seems like sour grapes but the Oil clubs have largely destroyed football. The likes of PSG and City are a cancer to the sport. Very soon we’ll need an NFL style salary cap in order to keep fans interested as the same teams will win league after league and cup after cup. However, an NFL style cap is virtually impossible to agree so football is fucked. It does sound like sour grapes, and it's not that I do not agree that PSG and City contribute to the destruction of the sport. It's that they are "just" another, perhaps bigger-scale, ugly symptom of the commercialization of football. Most of their fans will not give a shit, and I can't blame them. Did we care that TV money has widened the gap between the Premiership and the rest? Do we care that it still does, and will do? Those celebrating Bristol City fans we saw last night will never see their club win a trophy and we feel miserable having missed on the league for 5 years running. Do we care the ugly money machine that the CL is has destroyed national leagues altogether as their best talent took off to the bigger clubs? Once European titans like Ajax, Anderlecht among others have become the equivalent of Championship clubs as long as European competition is concerned. We never cared as long as we were the big fish in the pond feeding on others. I think it's fair to question our motives when our concern for the purity of the sport coincides with our decline. |
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Post by Stew on Dec 21, 2017 14:25:23 GMT
This. And I’m sorry if it seems like sour grapes but the Oil clubs have largely destroyed football. The likes of PSG and City are a cancer to the sport. Very soon we’ll need an NFL style salary cap in order to keep fans interested as the same teams will win league after league and cup after cup. However, an NFL style cap is virtually impossible to agree so football is fucked. It does sound like sour grapes, and it's not that I do not agree that PSG and City contribute to the destruction of the sport. It's that they are "just" another, perhaps bigger-scale, ugly symptom of the commercialization of football. Most of their fans will not give a shit, and I can't blame them. Did we care that TV money has widened the gap between the Premiership and the rest? Do we care that it still does, and will do? Those celebrating Bristol City fans we saw last night will never see their club win a trophy and we feel miserable having missed on the league for 5 years running. Do we care the ugly money machine that the CL is has destroyed national leagues altogether as their best talent took off to the bigger clubs? Once European titans like Ajax, Anderlecht among others have become the equivalent of Championship clubs as long as European competition is concerned. We never cared as long as we were the big fish in the pond feeding on others. I think it's fair to question our motives when our concern for the purity of the sport coincides with our decline. Except that every single pound we spent was earned, not handed out by Russian or Arab oilmen. Earned by the success of Busby and Fergie, not a chav lottery. |
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