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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2018 7:29:47 GMT
It's normally at times like this that I think "Thank fuck the football starts today!"... Ugh.
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Post by Stew on Aug 10, 2018 7:38:37 GMT
I just don't get how people can get behind the board vetoing transfer targets based on the quality of players. Especially when the one doing it is Ed fucking Woodward. If the manager wants a player, you make everything possible to give him that player. It's that simple. If you don't agree with the manager's view then just sack him ffs! What's the point of all this? This is where a DoF comes in. Case 1. 29 year, bang average winger in Perisic. Don’t be fooled by the World Cup, his stats in Seria A are ordinary. Manager wants you to pay close to 50 million. And loan them Martial? Back in your box Jose. Case 2. 29 year old, world class CB in Toby. Pull the trigger and get it done. |
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Post by Tatty on Aug 10, 2018 7:47:29 GMT
Toby could be signed for almost free in one year. Why should we pay 60-70 now? what is the rush? is our defense in such a terrible condition? I think no. A nice managerial job done and you can win PL with a pair of Morgan & Huth, fact ! Jose got 2 defenders he wanted and he already had Jones, Rojo and Smalling. Jones is way better defender than Maguire ! Splashing huge amounts on a defender is unthinkable when he has no good right winger and midfielder. He does not even consider improving in this area ! defense is the least problem now. Mourinho should be trying to improve teams creativity and attacking power ! Because he's infinitely better than any other CB option we have at the club, right now. |
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Post by caino on Aug 10, 2018 7:48:18 GMT
board are trying to cover up their failings. why was all of this not ironed out before the window opened. agree and disagree then find a mutual agreement on targets. there are plenty of players out there who are better than our CBs, RWer's, etc. its a joke.
but this is it. we have to deal with it. Jose has to coach and we have to get going. leave the negativity behind and get behind them. we still have plenty of great players and potential and we can still do something.
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Post by Sméagol on Aug 10, 2018 7:51:23 GMT
I just don't get how people can get behind the board vetoing transfer targets based on the quality of players. Especially when the one doing it is Ed fucking Woodward. If the manager wants a player, you make everything possible to give him that player. It's that simple. If you don't agree with the manager's view then just sack him ffs! What's the point of all this? This is where a DoF comes in. Case 1. 29 year, bang average winger in Perisic. Don’t be fooled by the World Cup, his stats in Seria A are ordinary. Manager wants you to pay close to 50 million. And loan them Martial? Back in your box Jose. Case 2. 29 year old, world class CB in Toby. Pull the trigger and get it done. Well yes, if it was a competent person with some football knowledge and not some JP Morgan banker then I'd be fine with it. But when I think of that weasel cunt running the football operations at Manchester United it just makes my blood boil. |
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Post by Sméagol on Aug 10, 2018 7:54:08 GMT
And now they come with that briefing that we had 100m to spend on a top class CB like Varane but it just wasn't to be. Well, no fucking shit!! Like Real are going to sell one of the best defenders in the world. Baffling...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2018 7:55:08 GMT
I just don't get how people can get behind the board vetoing transfer targets based on the quality of players. Especially when the one doing it is Ed fucking Woodward. If the manager wants a player, you make everything possible to give him that player. It's that simple. If you don't agree with the manager's view then just sack him ffs! What's the point of all this? This is where a DoF comes in. Case 1. 29 year, bang average winger in Perisic. Don’t be fooled by the World Cup, his stats in Seria A are ordinary. Manager wants you to pay close to 50 million. And loan them Martial? Back in your box Jose. Case 2. 29 year old, world class CB in Toby. Pull the trigger and get it done. Aye, I'm never going to be happy with the board making footballing decisions even if I do agree with some of them. Because ultimately they're not football people and will cock up sooner rather than later.
Completely agree in vetoing moves for Mina, Boateng and the likes but to not move for Alderweireld because of their belief he isn't much of an upgrade on what we have is utter insanity. |
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Post by Sméagol on Aug 10, 2018 7:56:46 GMT
Anyway, I'm actually excited for the game tonight. Football's back!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2018 7:58:32 GMT
And now they come with that briefing that we had 100m to spend on a top class CB like Varane but it just wasn't to be. Well, no fucking shit!! Like Real are going to sell one of the best defenders in the world. Baffling... And like Varane is going to leave them for us right now as well.
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Post by tsaba on Aug 10, 2018 8:17:27 GMT
Toby could be signed for almost free in one year. Why should we pay 60-70 now? what is the rush? is our defense in such a terrible condition? I think no. A nice managerial job done and you can win PL with a pair of Morgan & Huth, fact ! Jose got 2 defenders he wanted and he already had Jones, Rojo and Smalling. Jones is way better defender than Maguire ! Splashing huge amounts on a defender is unthinkable when he has no good right winger and midfielder. He does not even consider improving in this area ! defense is the least problem now. Mourinho should be trying to improve teams creativity and attacking power ! Because he's infinitely better than any other CB option we have at the club, right now. I really don't agree with it. Toby is not a player of such status and skills to say that he is infinitely better than any of our CBs. Can you say that with Toby in the back you will be calm against Harry Kane, Sergio Aguero, Eden Hazard, Mo Salah, Lionel Messi, Gareth Bale, Neimar and so on? I dont think so. On the other hand against likes of Tosun, Arnautovich, Benteke and so on it really does not matter if you have Toby or Phil Jones, They both will do the job |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Aug 10, 2018 8:22:37 GMT
Where the hell is Caaj, he should have been here by now.
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Aug 10, 2018 8:25:38 GMT
Where the hell is Caaj, he should have been here by now. Think he left after he made a few strange comments when Fergie fell ill. |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Aug 10, 2018 8:28:45 GMT
Where the hell is Caaj, he should have been here by now. Think he left after he made a few strange comments when Fergie fell ill. Right then, that sounds adequately bizarre so I'll fill in for now. tsaba, please be so kind as to introduce yourself in the newbie section - cheers! |
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Post by mightyez on Aug 10, 2018 8:31:53 GMT
the irony is at the back end of the season there was talk of real being interested in selling varane to generate some money.
roll out Ronaldo's departure and varane's world cup performances and that idea was well and truly vetoed.
For me anyway the main thing was getting someone to unleash pogba and help matic, Fred is the man for that and I just hope common sense prevails and perreira gets to compete with him rather than play the holding role, far too much creativity in him to waste him there.
Just smells of the job done with mikel, box to box attacking mid with goals turned into a sit and screen the back 4 midfielder
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Aug 10, 2018 8:33:41 GMT
If that article rings true, much of what we've enforced from the top down makes sense. Mourinho's short-termism can fuck off, so too his fixation with signing older players at the expense of trying to flog our most talented younger players which we went to great lengths to bring in. The problem is the board didn't follow through with sensible logic. This is what they did: Jose says the team isn't good enough --> Jose wants new players --> Jose asks for older players --> Board don't want older players that only have a couple of years left at the top --> Board buys no one after Fred, which was sorted before the start of the World Cup. But what they should have done is: Jose says the team isn't good enough --> Jose wants new players --> Jose asks for older players --> Board don't want older players that only have a couple of years left at the top --> Board buys younger, talented players in the positions Jose wants so the team is strengthened without having to rebuild again in 2/3 years. That's the issue. They probably thought that Christmas had come because they had a legitimate excuse to reject signings and keep the money in their pockets. By all accounts Jose gave them several players for each position, they should have gone for the younger ones instead of looking at the older ones and deciding to do nothing. The exception to this is Alderwiereld, whose age hides that his value would come in helping our younger CBs improve, and that he can probably still play at the highest level for at least four years. The board wouldn't mind buying a 26 year old pacy striker that'll be gassed by the time he's 30, but they balk at signing a 29 year old that will probably still be the best defender in the league when he's 33. Of course, that's far too nuanced an idea for the board to sanction... |
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