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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 11:29:19 GMT
I don't get the Shaw love on here. Injury aside I've seen very little to suggest he deserves as much credit as he gets. I think our fullbacks have become the Achilles heel our midfield used to be under Fergie. He'd played very well after coming back from injury, Jose praised him then dropped him. Not to mention that before that injury he was in beast mode. |
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Post by Karma on Mar 14, 2018 11:32:25 GMT
Mitten: ‘MUFC's HOME record against Spanish teams this decade D, L, L, W, D, L. Games v Valencia, Athletic, Madrid, Real Sociedad, Celta & Sevilla. Also lost to Barcelona in the 2011 final.’ We have huge problems with Spanish sides and always have. This is not an attempt to make excuses for last night’s horror show, just some context. True, though some of those have some context around them. Vigo for example gave me several heart attacks but a draw meant we went through so it wasn't a problem. The Madrid loss obviously had that disgraceful decision by Cunyet. We would have been found out further along the line. That squad was being held together by Fergie's drive and the excellent Van Persie. The season before we were absolutely rank and got knocked out of an easy CL group and were outclassed by Bilbao in the Europa. We've been on the decline since we sold Ronaldo and allowed a great team to plunder because of inadequate investment. A EL trophy and the last 16 is our current level. The much lauded City went out at the same stage last season against Monaco Spurs couldn't even get past the first knockout stage of the Europa. City went shopping at Monaco in the summer and addressed their weaknesses. We have to do the same. No more contract extensions for players like Valencia, Young, Rojo, Jones, Fellani etc. Jose needs to work out Sanchez's best position. We have to persevere with him because it sends out a bad signal to potential new signings, if you don't hit the ground running you're on your bike. I like Martial but he needs to be more consistent, same with Rashford. Christ knows what's happened with Pogba. |
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Post by juanveron on Mar 14, 2018 11:32:32 GMT
I don't get the Shaw love on here. Injury aside I've seen very little to suggest he deserves as much credit as he gets. I think our fullbacks have become the Achilles heel our midfield used to be under Fergie. He'd played very well after coming back from injury, Jose praised him then dropped him. That and signing Sanchez only to play him on our LW are two of the strangest decisions I’ve seen in a while. |
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Post by Karma on Mar 14, 2018 11:33:13 GMT
He'd played very well after coming back from injury, Jose praised him then dropped him. Not to mention that before that injury he was in beast mode. He really wasn't. |
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Post by Karma on Mar 14, 2018 11:34:58 GMT
I don't get the Shaw love on here. Injury aside I've seen very little to suggest he deserves as much credit as he gets. I think our fullbacks have become the Achilles heel our midfield used to be under Fergie. I won’t call it love, more like fascination as to whether or not he could become what many think he could be if he is actually given a proper run. The problem when he does run, he gets joggers nipple. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 11:37:10 GMT
If nothing else proves Mourinho has lost his edge he needs to throw money at the problems he's creating. The squad we have is more than good enough, the way its being used is the problem.
If you start McTomminay, Mata and Martial last night then the outcome would have been different.
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Mar 14, 2018 11:37:32 GMT
Did anyone else have that brief five second moment where you wake up first thing in the morning and feel quite happy, until you remember the events of last night? That was a real kicker this morning.
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Post by _ on Mar 14, 2018 11:38:37 GMT
Banega was everywhere last night and ran the show. McTominay barely gave him a kick a few weeks ago. I hate being an ‘I told you so’ because it galls me to be right in this instance but that Fellani start last night deserves to haunt JM for years. Nzonzi and Banaga had the freedom of the city. Fellaini is not a CM, so once again Matic was on his own, just like in many games this year where we have ceded MF. The games we played well we have had a proper CM partnership Chelsea and Dippers. How a 50% fit To break up that partnership in the most important game and start a 50% fit Fellaini is very poor management |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 11:39:13 GMT
Not to mention that before that injury he was in beast mode. He really wasn't. Well have to agree to differ, but the main point is that he is an actual left back, that has played well when called upon and is still being overlooked for a player who is not a left back. The point is probably redundant as I think he's gone in the summer anyway, but it's a shame we didn't really give him a chance to establish himself. |
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Post by juanveron on Mar 14, 2018 11:39:29 GMT
I won’t call it love, more like fascination as to whether or not he could become what many think he could be if he is actually given a proper run. The problem when he does run, he gets joggers nipple. He’s actually played quite well pretty much every time he was given a chance this season. Definitely not so much worse than Young to justify how little game time he’s been getting. |
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Post by Karma on Mar 14, 2018 12:02:46 GMT
The problem when he does run, he gets joggers nipple. He’s actually played quite well pretty much every time he was given a chance this season. Definitely not so much worse than Young to justify how little game time he’s been getting. Shaw is like many other players who become a lot better than they really are when they don't play. I've heard many people criticising Mata but then you come on here and it's like he's become the second coming again. Rashford has has been out of form for a while, he plays and then you get an army along who suggest he's been hard done by. It happens so many times with different players. I could probably find plenty of examples where posters contradict themselves when it comes to players. This forum is not alone mind. |
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Post by stonecarver2 on Mar 14, 2018 12:06:45 GMT
Blood awful performance.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 12:13:33 GMT
He’s actually played quite well pretty much every time he was given a chance this season. Definitely not so much worse than Young to justify how little game time he’s been getting. Shaw is like many other players who become a lot better than they really are when they don't play. I've heard many people criticising Mata but then you come on here and it's like he's become the second coming again. Rashford has has been out of form for a while, he plays and then you get an army along who suggest he's been hard done by. It happens so many times with different players. I could probably find plenty of examples where posters contradict themselves when it comes to players. This forum is not alone mind. Mata has consistently been one of our better players, as he was at Chelsea before, so it's very noticeable how our game suffers when he doesn't play. Particularly in the bigger games. Most of the criticisms come from his lack of pace, which I think is overblown anyway, but it was never his technical ability in question. Ashford was out of form, and needed the time on the bench. Shaw was never really out of form though. He just wasn't played. Young had a nightmare of a game the other day but still nailed the left back spot the game after. |
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Post by Bestie on Mar 14, 2018 12:16:11 GMT
He’s actually played quite well pretty much every time he was given a chance this season. Definitely not so much worse than Young to justify how little game time he’s been getting. Shaw is like many other players who become a lot better than they really are when they don't play. I've heard many people criticising Mata but then you come on here and it's like he's become the second coming again. Rashford has has been out of form for a while, he plays and then you get an army along who suggest he's been hard done by. It happens so many times with different players. I could probably find plenty of examples where posters contradict themselves when it comes to players. This forum is not alone mind. No, you'll see one or two people on here who criticise Mata, for some reason, but literally everybody else wants him in the team. Plenty of people were fine with Rashford not playing as often specifically because he was out of form. Shaw is a left back who has looked decent in every chance to play he's been given this season. We currently play not a left back at left back who has looked not a left back and also his age in most of his appearences at left back this season. Wanting Shaw to at least be given a chance is hardly 'flip-flipping' or whatever the hell else it is you're suggesting people do. |
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Post by Karma on Mar 14, 2018 12:20:06 GMT
Shaw is like many other players who become a lot better than they really are when they don't play. I've heard many people criticising Mata but then you come on here and it's like he's become the second coming again. Rashford has has been out of form for a while, he plays and then you get an army along who suggest he's been hard done by. It happens so many times with different players. I could probably find plenty of examples where posters contradict themselves when it comes to players. This forum is not alone mind. No, you'll see one or two people on here who criticise Mata, for some reason, but literally everybody else wants him in the team. Plenty of people were fine with Rashford not playing as often specifically because he was out of form. Shaw is a left back who has looked decent in every chance to play he's been given this season. We currently play not a left back at left back who has looked not a left back and also his age in most of his appearences at left back this season. Wanting Shaw to at least be given a chance is hardly 'flip-flipping' or whatever the hell else it is you're suggesting people do. Quite honestly I don't think any of our full backs are good enough. I'd replace them all if it was down to me. |
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