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Post by Max United on May 5, 2018 19:21:20 GMT
Some things just go over peoples heads, or outright just vanish. Yeah like peps hair. |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on May 31, 2018 16:32:00 GMT
We might, er, need a new manager sooner than we thought now Zidane has gone.
I say give it to Carrick and McKenna until ZZ is refreshed and ready to go again. Or Wenger.
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Post by RAZ on May 31, 2018 16:48:57 GMT
We might, er, need a new manager sooner than we thought now Zidane has gone. I say give it to Carrick and McKenna until ZZ is refreshed and ready to go again. Or Wenger. what? |
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Post by WhatsTheMata on May 31, 2018 16:56:36 GMT
We might, er, need a new manager sooner than we thought now Zidane has gone. I say give it to Carrick and McKenna until ZZ is refreshed and ready to go again. Or Wenger. what? He should use a sarcasm sign more often and maybe stop drinking in the morning. |
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Post by screamer on Jun 1, 2018 10:54:17 GMT
JM will be here next season, so just for fun.
Right now, I would go for Leonardo Jardim. I do not want another manager who comes in with his own brand or philosophy that he needs to impose on the squad and supporters. I suspect that the players are tired of philosophies. I know I am. I would like someone who understands and can work to United’s culture before getting the job.
Jardim worked miracles the season before last, winning the French League despite being outgunned by PSG. He also made a significant impact in the CL, taking out City. He has developed a huge plethora of next generation stars and his team has generally been consistent and punched above its weight. Despite having the heart of his side ripped out, he has done well again this season. I'd place him above Sarri/Pochettino because he took that step of winning as well as getting a side to play some of the most exhilarating football seen from an atypical team since Dortmund.
He might not have won enough to be considered for the United job but there are some good reasons to think he is a good choice.
Plays attractive, winning football
Won French League season before last
Does very well playing against teams like PSG who have unlimited resources (though they got stuffed 7-1 at the end of the season!)
Came second this season, 13 points behind PSG but 5 ahead of Lyon in third (having lost Bernardo Silva, Mbappe and Bakayoko)
Gets the very best out of the players he has in the squad
Perhaps even better than Tuchel at utilising young players, as evidenced by his league win last year with one of the youngest and most exciting attacking squads seen for a while
Good CL runs with this squad
Has previously got the best out of Martial
Only 44, like Tuchel, plenty of time to learn, grow and settle into a long term appointment
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Jun 1, 2018 15:17:34 GMT
How good do we think Zidane is?
Objectively, he's a bit of a freak - who goes into managing their first big team, having been pretty average with the Castilla, and wins the European Cup three times in a row? Especially someone who was so decorated as a player.
Bizarre. But then, Real Madrid have a brilliant squad of players and they were outclassed in the league so who knows? I haven't watched them every week, I know that much.
Is Zidane now the Guardiola that we missed out on before City corrupted him? Certainly seems like hot property.
To be clear, I'm behind Mourinho until this time next year, at which point trophies will determine the extent of my support of the gaffer from then on.
The above is assuming Zidane takes a year (at least) from coaching.
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Post by Bestie on Jun 1, 2018 17:03:05 GMT
I think his status as a player gets him an extra level with players. His half-time team talk in the 2017 European Cup final is a masterclass. Leaves them alone for 7 minutes then comes back and basically says, just do a little more here, and little more there. Then we'll win. No rousing speech, no panic. Reminded me a lot of Bill Belichick at the Patriots (the Manchester United of the NFL for the uninitiated. *Ahem* - Stew, smithy2  ). He also seems to have had a lot more control, or at least input, with transfers. There haven't been the usual splashy, Galactico signings. He's allowed the team to develop without too much disruption. Tactically he is hard to judge. That many superb players, next level players, it's tough to pinpoint where the manager's style ends and the natural ability of the squad takes over. you could argue he has done brilliantly to keep that squad so focused and so efficient in Europe for three consectutive seasons. Again though, these are the elite of elite players who would expect to know what is required to win. On the other hand to both those points - he has won three European Cups with Keylor Navas as his number one goalkeeper. |
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Post by Bestie on Jun 1, 2018 17:06:08 GMT
Is Zidane now the Guardiola that we missed out on before City corrupted him? Response to the rest above, but Guardiola has always been corrupt. |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Jun 1, 2018 18:10:40 GMT
Is Zidane now the Guardiola that we missed out on before City corrupted him? , but Guardiola has always been corrupt. Cheers, would have missed a great read if you hadn't pointed that out!  |
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Post by Bestie on Jun 1, 2018 19:13:19 GMT
Response to the rest above, but Guardiola has always been corrupt. Cheers, would have missed a great read if you hadn't pointed that out!  |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jun 1, 2018 19:15:53 GMT
I think his status as a player gets him an extra level with players. His half-time team talk in the 2017 European Cup final is a masterclass. Leaves them alone for 7 minutes then comes back and basically says, just do a little more here, and little more there. Then we'll win. No rousing speech, no panic. Reminded me a lot of Bill Belichick at the Patriots (the Manchester United of the NFL for the uninitiated. *Ahem* - Stew, smithy2 ). He also seems to have had a lot more control, or at least input, with transfers. There haven't been the usual splashy, Galactico signings. He's allowed the team to develop without too much disruption. Tactically he is hard to judge. That many superb players, next level players, it's tough to pinpoint where the manager's style ends and the natural ability of the squad takes over. you could argue he has done brilliantly to keep that squad so focused and so efficient in Europe for three consectutive seasons. Again though, these are the elite of elite players who would expect to know what is required to win. On the other hand to both those points - he has won three European Cups with Keylor Navas as his number one goalkeeper. Do you reckon he could do it on the touchline on a cold, wet night at Stoke Huddersfield? |
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Post by Sméagol on Jun 1, 2018 19:19:41 GMT
I think his status as a player gets him an extra level with players. His half-time team talk in the 2017 European Cup final is a masterclass. Leaves them alone for 7 minutes then comes back and basically says, just do a little more here, and little more there. Then we'll win. No rousing speech, no panic. Reminded me a lot of Bill Belichick at the Patriots (the Manchester United of the NFL for the uninitiated. *Ahem* - Stew , smithy2 ). He also seems to have had a lot more control, or at least input, with transfers. There haven't been the usual splashy, Galactico signings. He's allowed the team to develop without too much disruption. Tactically he is hard to judge. That many superb players, next level players, it's tough to pinpoint where the manager's style ends and the natural ability of the squad takes over. you could argue he has done brilliantly to keep that squad so focused and so efficient in Europe for three consectutive seasons. Again though, these are the elite of elite players who would expect to know what is required to win. On the other hand to both those points - he has won three European Cups with Keylor Navas as his number one goalkeeper. You kiss your mother with that mouth? |
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Post by WhatsTheMata on Jun 1, 2018 19:30:43 GMT
I think his status as a player gets him an extra level with players. His half-time team talk in the 2017 European Cup final is a masterclass. Leaves them alone for 7 minutes then comes back and basically says, just do a little more here, and little more there. Then we'll win. No rousing speech, no panic. Reminded me a lot of Bill Belichick at the Patriots (the Manchester United of the NFL for the uninitiated. *Ahem* - Stew, smithy2 ). He also seems to have had a lot more control, or at least input, with transfers. There haven't been the usual splashy, Galactico signings. He's allowed the team to develop without too much disruption. Tactically he is hard to judge. That many superb players, next level players, it's tough to pinpoint where the manager's style ends and the natural ability of the squad takes over. you could argue he has done brilliantly to keep that squad so focused and so efficient in Europe for three consectutive seasons. Again though, these are the elite of elite players who would expect to know what is required to win. On the other hand to both those points - he has won three European Cups with Keylor Navas as his number one goalkeeper. I've told you which European team the Patriots are and it's not Manchester United  |
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Post by Bestie on Jun 1, 2018 19:31:23 GMT
I think his status as a player gets him an extra level with players. His half-time team talk in the 2017 European Cup final is a masterclass. Leaves them alone for 7 minutes then comes back and basically says, just do a little more here, and little more there. Then we'll win. No rousing speech, no panic. Reminded me a lot of Bill Belichick at the Patriots (the Manchester United of the NFL for the uninitiated. *Ahem* - Stew , smithy2 ). He also seems to have had a lot more control, or at least input, with transfers. There haven't been the usual splashy, Galactico signings. He's allowed the team to develop without too much disruption. Tactically he is hard to judge. That many superb players, next level players, it's tough to pinpoint where the manager's style ends and the natural ability of the squad takes over. you could argue he has done brilliantly to keep that squad so focused and so efficient in Europe for three consectutive seasons. Again though, these are the elite of elite players who would expect to know what is required to win. On the other hand to both those points - he has won three European Cups with Keylor Navas as his number one goalkeeper. You kiss your mother with that mouth?  |
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Post by Sméagol on Jun 1, 2018 19:48:14 GMT
You kiss your mother with that mouth?  |
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"United’s flag is deepest red, it shrouded all our Munich dead. Before their limbs grew stiff and cold, their heart’s blood dyed it’s ev’ry fold. Then raise United’s banner high, beneath it’s shade we’ll live and die. So keep the faith and never fear." 
