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Post by Karma on Mar 21, 2018 0:33:00 GMT
Newcastle looseing a 14 point lead to us was a bottle job i wouldnt class spurs not winning the lg over leicester as that. Didnt leicester like loose like 2 or 3 times all season? We were the ones who bottled it that season. Before then Tottenham had never been near a title race in my whole lifetime. That was the first season & they were the only team who put up any fight against Leicester. Meanwhile We had a top of the table clash against Leicester early in the season & ended up no where near them. Spurs didn't bottle it, we did. We ended up 5th that season. That's not a bottle job , we weren't even in it. A bottle job is like what they did against Juventus a week ago. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 0:52:32 GMT
We were the ones who bottled it that season. Before then Tottenham had never been near a title race in my whole lifetime. That was the first season & they were the only team who put up any fight against Leicester. Meanwhile We had a top of the table clash against Leicester early in the season & ended up no where near them. Spurs didn't bottle it, we did. We ended up 5th that season. That's not a bottle job , we weren't even in it. A bottle job is like what they did against Juventus a week ago. We were in it, we literally had a top of the table clash. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 0:55:20 GMT
Anyway, this is all neither here nor there as I expect JM will still be here next season. Absolutely. No chance he won't be here at the start of next season. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 1:00:43 GMT
So by that logic we have bottled it most seasons we have played then? Well yes, if people are so hell bent on claiming even 2nd place finishes are ‘bottle jobs’ then yeah. It’s preposterous. So many tiny little moments can go either way at crucial times in all league races. 09-10, we bottled it. No, Rooney got injured at a crucial time an we had no cover. 91-92, we bottled it. No, Robson and Ince got injured and we had a massive fixture pile up and a swamp of a pitch. If even one of those chances Newcastle had in that game against us is finished or the Dane plays at slightly less than beast mode, they win that league in 96. You want to talk about bottle jobs, the worst one I can remember was 11-12. Now thats blowing a league. Ultimately, all second places yield the same thing- nothing. But at least he has that Spurs team playing well and challenging. Yes it would be betteif he’d won that league but rather than see that as a negative, why couldn’t it be something he taps into if he was Utd boss? Couldn’t those hard earned lessons be put to use for our benefit? Exactly. A bottle job has to have some moment where you threw it away. In that Leicester season it could be argued that the early January part where we completely collapsed was a bottle job but I understand it if someone doesn't think that way. Tottenham didn't bottle anything. I don't understand how that term can be used there. you have to completely change the definition of what a bottle job would be. One of the biggest bottle jobs I can remember, one that sticks in my mind was the 4-4 against Everton. That one 10 minute period where Fellaini destroyed us is a bottle job, it destroyed our whole season. We threw an 8 point lead with 8 games to go. Spurs vs Juve could be described as one. Controlled virtually the whole 180 minutes & managed to lose, but they were never in the lead. |
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Post by alwaysUnited on Mar 21, 2018 6:50:18 GMT
IF we are moving on from Jose , and i dont think we should for atleast 1 more year , we should be going for someone young and who plays attacking football. My choice would be Monaco coach Jardim. Poch is also a good option considering he knows the league very well.
But no to sarri(almost 60 year old) , and no to simeone (might stick with Jose in that case).
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Post by ratbag on Mar 21, 2018 7:01:17 GMT
Eusebio Di Francesco: Here is a dark horse that has brought a team Sassuolo from Serie B, to Serie A, and also had them in Europa during the 2015/2016 and 2016/2017 campaigns. Now at Roma where they sit 3rd in the table, and from what I read about him he has great man management skills and gets the most from his players. A link to his 4-3-3 tactical philosophy below. www.esdfanalysis.com/manager-analysis/tactical-philosophy-eusebio-di-francesco/I have to say that is quite impressive. If he could handle the pressure and get us playing like that I would be pretty happy. Caveat: We would still need to win stuff but I think it could work...left field appointment... |
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Post by Stew on Mar 21, 2018 7:08:13 GMT
We were the ones who bottled it that season. Before then Tottenham had never been near a title race in my whole lifetime. That was the first season & they were the only team who put up any fight against Leicester. Meanwhile We had a top of the table clash against Leicester early in the season & ended up no where near them. Spurs didn't bottle it, we did. We ended up 5th that season. That's not a bottle job , we weren't even in it. A bottle job is like what they did against Juventus a week ago. So if that was a ‘bottle job’ against Juve how would you describe our performance against Sevilla? A clusterfuck? An omnishambles? An abject betrayal of the club’s traditions? |
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Post by Karma on Mar 21, 2018 8:30:07 GMT
We ended up 5th that season. That's not a bottle job , we weren't even in it. A bottle job is like what they did against Juventus a week ago. So if that was a ‘bottle job’ against Juve how would you describe our performance against Sevilla? A clusterfuck? An omnishambles? An abject betrayal of the club’s traditions? Well we are both out regardless. We failed to turn up in both legs. They were in a great position to progress. It's like our game against Munich under Fergie where when Rafael got sent off. We should have won the game but failed to take our chances and got done through indiscipline. |
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Post by Karma on Mar 21, 2018 8:36:40 GMT
We ended up 5th that season. That's not a bottle job , we weren't even in it. A bottle job is like what they did against Juventus a week ago. We were in it, we literally had a top of the table clash. We were never in a title clash that season. Being top occasionally doesn' t mean you are in there. We had long periods during that season where we drifted in and out of the top 4, similar to last season. This season we put up the biggest challenge but by December we were around 10 points behind. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 9:01:35 GMT
I give up
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Mar 21, 2018 9:43:00 GMT
Sarri has definitely got Napoli to play some great stuff. My main question about him is why it took him so long to move up the ranks, having started in 2000. I guess it's much harder when you aren't coming from a professional playing background and also weren't coaching much beforehand, but even still he spent a lot of time bobbing around Serie B not doing much. Sarri has let slip a 7 point lead at the top to Juventus with some really cheap losses . I'm not convinced. In fairness, aren't they still on course for a record points total for second place or something close to it? It doesn't seem like us where, regardless of City being a special team or not, we've not been good enough at all. They're only two points off Juve as well. His European performance has definitely been below par though. |
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Post by Stew on Mar 21, 2018 9:55:05 GMT
So if that was a ‘bottle job’ against Juve how would you describe our performance against Sevilla? A clusterfuck? An omnishambles? An abject betrayal of the club’s traditions? Well we are both out regardless. We failed to turn up in both legs. They were in a great position to progress. It's like our game against Munich under Fergie where when Rafael got sent off. We should have won the game but failed to take our chances and got done through indiscipline. Spur’s loss was presumably? |
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Post by Karma on Mar 21, 2018 10:34:26 GMT
We have not been in a title race since Fergie left. The closet we have got is this season when we stuffed up by December. If you seriously think we have been in one since Fergie then it's probably for the best you do give up I'm well aware that Spurs have a lot of fans on here but let's not rewrite history. Check out the criticism they got from the press that season Leicester won, I think you'll find it goes against what you believe. |
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Post by Stew on Mar 21, 2018 10:46:21 GMT
We have not been in a title race since Fergie left. The closet we have got is this season when we stuffed up by December. If you seriously think we have been in one since Fergie then it's probably for the best you do give up I'm well aware that Spurs have a lot of fans on here but let's not rewrite history. Check out the criticism they got from the press that season Leicester won, I think you'll find it goes against what you believe. I’m confused here and I don’t want to put words in your mouth- 1. Pointing out that we’ve never really been in a title race supports your theory that we should stick with Jose how exactly, considering he’s been in charge for 2 of those seasons and has spent an absolute bucket load of cash during that time? 2. It seems to me that you’re suggesting that never being in a title race is somehow better than being involved in one but ‘bottling it.’ Am I correct here? It’s a constant jibe at Poch and Spurs in your posts so again, just wondering what’s your point here? |
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Post by Stew on Mar 21, 2018 10:49:40 GMT
I’m really not sure what point it is that you’re trying to make. Since Busby retired every single Utd manager has had to deal with this. It’s not going away and its never going to go away. It’s hardly unique. It’s the same for Real, Barca etc. What exactly is it you suggest to deal with this eternal problem? Only hire managers that have experience at big clubs? Where did Klopp, Ancelotti, Heynckes, Allegri get their breaks before hitting the big time, before winning leagues and Champion’s leagues? Mainz, Parma, Mönchengladbach and Caligari. My Point being either take the United job and be stressed from day one or stay in his happy bubble at Spurs?? we will see... He’s a former Argie International defender. They get glass and nails in their bottles as babies. I’m sure he can handle a bit of pressure. |
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