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Post by Karma on Mar 20, 2018 19:46:24 GMT
Didn't Poch get chased down by Leicester??? It's not that I think he wouldn't come, but loosing a league with Spurs is one thing loosing it with Us , the media will eat him alive and unlike Jose he has no previous wins to fall back on?? I doubt he'd want the flack. Well this is one of the main problems. Any candidate will have to accept a hysterical reaction from the press when things dont go to plan whereas other clubs will be given more leeway to make mistakes especially if their managers are hipster types. Every little thing is scrutinised, comparisons made to the time under Fergie , ex players having their two penneth, 'the United way', the exorbitant wages our players are earning comparing to everyone else. It's a jungle out there for sure. |
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Post by Karma on Mar 20, 2018 19:47:56 GMT
Didn't Poch get chased down by Leicester??? It's not that I think he wouldn't come, but loosing a league with Spurs is one thing loosing it with Us , the media will eat him alive and unlike Jose he has no previous wins to fall back on?? I doubt he'd want the flack. No Spurs were behind leicester the whole season. Not that far behind. It was still a bottle job regardless. |
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Post by bushy1987 on Mar 20, 2018 19:59:40 GMT
No Spurs were behind leicester the whole season. Not that far behind. It was still a bottle job regardless. Newcastle looseing a 14 point lead to us was a bottle job i wouldnt class spurs not winning the lg over leicester as that. Didnt leicester like loose like 2 or 3 times all season? |
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Post by dsilvaxx2 on Mar 20, 2018 20:22:46 GMT
Eusebio Di Francesco: Here is a dark horse that has brought a team Sassuolo from Serie B, to Serie A, and also had them in Europa during the 2015/2016 and 2016/2017 campaigns. Now at Roma where they sit 3rd in the table, and from what I read about him he has great man management skills and gets the most from his players. A link to his 4-3-3 tactical philosophy below. www.esdfanalysis.com/manager-analysis/tactical-philosophy-eusebio-di-francesco/ |
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Post by Stew on Mar 20, 2018 20:41:17 GMT
Didn't Poch get chased down by Leicester??? It's not that I think he wouldn't come, but loosing a league with Spurs is one thing loosing it with Us , the media will eat him alive and unlike Jose he has no previous wins to fall back on?? I doubt he'd want the flack. Well this is one of the main problems. Any candidate will have to accept a hysterical reaction from the press when things dont go to plan whereas other clubs will be given more leeway to make mistakes especially if their managers are hipster types. Every little thing is scrutinised, comparisons made to the time under Fergie , ex players having their two penneth, 'the United way', the exorbitant wages our players are earning comparing to everyone else. It's a jungle out there for sure. I’m really not sure what point it is that you’re trying to make. Since Busby retired every single Utd manager has had to deal with this. It’s not going away and its never going to go away. It’s hardly unique. It’s the same for Real, Barca etc. What exactly is it you suggest to deal with this eternal problem? Only hire managers that have experience at big clubs? Where did Klopp, Ancelotti, Heynckes, Allegri get their breaks before hitting the big time, before winning leagues and Champion’s leagues? Mainz, Parma, Mönchengladbach and Caligari. |
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Post by mightyez on Mar 20, 2018 20:52:11 GMT
Eusebio Di Francesco: Here is a dark horse that has brought a team Sassuolo from Serie B, to Serie A, and also had them in Europa during the 2015/2016 and 2016/2017 campaigns. Now at Roma where they sit 3rd in the table, and from what I read about him he has great man management skills and gets the most from his players. A link to his 4-3-3 tactical philosophy below. www.esdfanalysis.com/manager-analysis/tactical-philosophy-eusebio-di-francesco/Really good read |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 21:13:54 GMT
Not that far behind. It was still a bottle job regardless. Newcastle looseing a 14 point lead to us was a bottle job i wouldnt class spurs not winning the lg over leicester as that. Didnt leicester like loose like 2 or 3 times all season? We were the ones who bottled it that season. Before then Tottenham had never been near a title race in my whole lifetime. That was the first season & they were the only team who put up any fight against Leicester. Meanwhile We had a top of the table clash against Leicester early in the season & ended up no where near them. Spurs didn't bottle it, we did. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 21:14:46 GMT
No Spurs were behind leicester the whole season. Not that far behind. It was still a bottle job regardless. Don't be silly. |
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Post by Stew on Mar 20, 2018 21:17:27 GMT
Newcastle looseing a 14 point lead to us was a bottle job i wouldnt class spurs not winning the lg over leicester as that. Didnt leicester like loose like 2 or 3 times all season? We were the ones who bottled it that season. Before then Tottenham had never been near a title race in my whole lifetime. That was the first season & they were the only team who put up any fight against Leicester. Meanwhile We had a top of the table clash against Leicester early in the season & ended up no where near them. Spurs didn't bottle it, we did. Thank you, some fucking sense at last. We keep banging on about Spurs bottling leagues when we were about 15 points behind them on each occasion. At least they had a bloody challenge unlike the dross we’ve put together. |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Mar 20, 2018 21:38:48 GMT
We were the ones who bottled it that season. Before then Tottenham had never been near a title race in my whole lifetime. That was the first season & they were the only team who put up any fight against Leicester. Meanwhile We had a top of the table clash against Leicester early in the season & ended up no where near them. Spurs didn't bottle it, we did. Thank you, some fucking sense at last. We keep banging on about Spurs bottling leagues when we were about 15 points behind them on each occasion. At least they had a bloody challenge unlike the dross we’ve put together. So by that logic we have bottled it most seasons we have played then? |
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Post by Stew on Mar 20, 2018 22:30:23 GMT
Thank you, some fucking sense at last. We keep banging on about Spurs bottling leagues when we were about 15 points behind them on each occasion. At least they had a bloody challenge unlike the dross we’ve put together. So by that logic we have bottled it most seasons we have played then? Well yes, if people are so hell bent on claiming even 2nd place finishes are ‘bottle jobs’ then yeah. It’s preposterous. So many tiny little moments can go either way at crucial times in all league races. 09-10, we bottled it. No, Rooney got injured at a crucial time an we had no cover. 91-92, we bottled it. No, Robson and Ince got injured and we had a massive fixture pile up and a swamp of a pitch. If even one of those chances Newcastle had in that game against us is finished or the Dane plays at slightly less than beast mode, they win that league in 96. You want to talk about bottle jobs, the worst one I can remember was 11-12. Now thats blowing a league. Ultimately, all second places yield the same thing- nothing. But at least he has that Spurs team playing well and challenging. Yes it would be betteif he’d won that league but rather than see that as a negative, why couldn’t it be something he taps into if he was Utd boss? Couldn’t those hard earned lessons be put to use for our benefit? |
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Post by Stew on Mar 20, 2018 22:39:52 GMT
Anyway, this is all neither here nor there as I expect JM will still be here next season.
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Mar 20, 2018 23:15:08 GMT
So by that logic we have bottled it most seasons we have played then? Well yes, if people are so hell bent on claiming even 2nd place finishes are ‘bottle jobs’ then yeah. It’s preposterous. So many tiny little moments can go either way at crucial times in all league races. 09-10, we bottled it. No, Rooney got injured at a crucial time an we had no cover. 91-92, we bottled it. No, Robson and Ince got injured and we had a massive fixture pile up and a swamp of a pitch. If even one of those chances Newcastle had in that game against us is finished or the Dane plays at slightly less than beast mode, they win that league in 96. You want to talk about bottle jobs, the worst one I can remember was 11-12. Now thats blowing a league. Ultimately, all second places yield the same thing- nothing. But at least he has that Spurs team playing well and challenging. Yes it would be betteif he’d won that league but rather than see that as a negative, why couldn’t it be something he taps into if he was Utd boss? Couldn’t those hard earned lessons be put to use for our benefit? You're right. I just failed to see why you agreed with that post though? It's bollocks.  It falls flat on its arse when you realise that spurs did not put up a fight at all. Hell our season was shit but only Arsenal took more points off Leicester than we did. That's more of a fight than anything spurs managed. And that's before you look at the fact they were behind us till about the halfway point of the season. If that's them being "the only ones putting up a fight", and we "bottled it" then what would you call the other 16 teams attempts? |
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Post by Stew on Mar 20, 2018 23:39:40 GMT
Well yes, if people are so hell bent on claiming even 2nd place finishes are ‘bottle jobs’ then yeah. It’s preposterous. So many tiny little moments can go either way at crucial times in all league races. 09-10, we bottled it. No, Rooney got injured at a crucial time an we had no cover. 91-92, we bottled it. No, Robson and Ince got injured and we had a massive fixture pile up and a swamp of a pitch. If even one of those chances Newcastle had in that game against us is finished or the Dane plays at slightly less than beast mode, they win that league in 96. You want to talk about bottle jobs, the worst one I can remember was 11-12. Now thats blowing a league. Ultimately, all second places yield the same thing- nothing. But at least he has that Spurs team playing well and challenging. Yes it would be betteif he’d won that league but rather than see that as a negative, why couldn’t it be something he taps into if he was Utd boss? Couldn’t those hard earned lessons be put to use for our benefit? You're right. I just failed to see why you agreed with that post though? It's bollocks. It falls flat on its arse when you realise that spurs did not put up a fight at all. Hell our season was shit but only Arsenal took more points off Leicester than we did. That's more of a fight than anything spurs managed. And that's before you look at the fact they were behind us till about the halfway point of the season. If that's them being "the only ones putting up a fight", and we "bottled it" then what would you call the other 16 teams attempts? To be fair though, that Spurs-Leicester title race was close in the spring. I know Leicester pulled away at the end but once Arsenal faded (before Spurs let them back) it was those 2. It reminded me of our first League when we ended up about 8 points clear of Villa but it felt tighter than that. |
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Post by Karma on Mar 21, 2018 0:28:03 GMT
RE: Poch, I expect he'd be happy to manage us or City after Spurs. Liverpool would be a sideways step and I don't think he'll want another London club, but think he's be happy to go to Manchester. If Real and possibly PSG weren't in for him and we decided to move on from Jose then I'd expect us to be the frontrunners for him. I still think there are question marks about whether Poch teams drop off in April/May, but he plays (IMO) the best football in the PL, has for a while, and has done very well with Spurs all things considered. I'm not overly worried about his past disinterest in winning trophies because I think he would be expected to fight on all fronts here in a way he isn't at Spurs. RE: Simeone, I've written here before about how highly I rate him. I certainly wouldn't say no to him, and he's probably an easier transition from Jose than Poch would be for the players, but it's true his style isn't as easy on the eye as Poch's. I do think Simeone can be better than Jose in this regard - the most notable example would be their meeting in the 2014 CL semis, where Simeone's Atleti did most of the attacking in the first leg and most of it in the second as well, except at the end where Chelsea needed a goal and Atleti then finished them on the counter. I remain hopeful that Simeone, with higher expectations and a budget to match, would be able to combine the best of Jose's pragmatism and discipline with a more adventurous style, but I accept that I have no evidence that this would be the case. I think either, for different reasons, would be excellent Manchester United managers should Jose go. Simeone's is every bit as pragmatic as Mourinho in my opinion, with the one exception being, his teams play at tempo and press the ball instead of just waiting for the other team to make mistakes. Personally I would like to see a coach that is left field and favours attacking football above all else. I've seen enough sideways football to last me a lifetime. I think Sarri from Napoli is worth a shout. There a great side to watch on the ball and there kamikaze press can be fun and terrifying to watch if your a supporter. Sarris emphasis is on playing a system that is geared to score goals and in modern football that's very much the flavour of the month. Teams with an emphasis on impregnable defences are not winning to the same degree as they used to. Whoever comes in after Mourinho, all I want to see is a different approach that encourages attacking football. Napoli didn't get out of their CL group and got knocked out of the EL in the first knockout. They play some nice football but I think the owners will go for a more risk averse option. Wasnt there some scandal with Sarri in the past? |
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