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Post by Rustin Cohle on Nov 28, 2018 11:43:11 GMT
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Post by bushy1987 on Nov 28, 2018 12:27:12 GMT
I know with a striker you either can finish or you can't it's just something your born with, you can't teach clinical players like ruud was just born to score goals, now rashford will never be clinical like that but surely with the right coaching we can improve his decision making and maybe improve his finishing to a certain extent.
I do think his talent is being wasted tho by not having a proper position and regular starts tho.
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Post by _ on Nov 28, 2018 12:40:31 GMT
I love Rashford, but the boy isn't a centre forward. Never in a million years. We need a striker to play with/ahead of Lukaku as he obviously doesn't rate Sanchez anymore, despite the fact he was immense vs Juve. Shaw was good again. Other than that no positives at all, last night. Glad I have tickets for wrestling for the game vs the murderers. I agree with you, we need another striker or a better 10 type. What pisses me off though is the constant narrative that we don't spend enough. Sanchez cost us a fortune even if it was a swap, the overall cost is staggering. Lukaku cost the best part eventually of 90M. Rashford is not there yet but is misused as is Martial who also cost a fortune and Mata is underused, to help create and link midfield and attack If you add Pogba to that attack as he is really an attacking MF player, it's astonishing how much it cost the club, how much potential is there and how poor it works under Mourinho I just can't see them backing him any more in the transfer market for any more forwards. The more radical view would be new management and get rid of Lukaku and Sanchez. They may back him with a big buy in January for a Defender, but I can't see any money being forked out on a new striker until he is gone and or non performing attackers are sold!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 12:46:31 GMT
I'm hoping Lukaku at least goes back to being a flat-track bully. Right now he's an oxygen thief.
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Post by _ on Nov 28, 2018 12:57:47 GMT
I know with a striker you either can finish or you can't it's just something your born with, you can't teach clinical players like ruud was just born to score goals, now rashford will never be clinical like that but surely with the right coaching we can improve his decision making and maybe improve his finishing to a certain extent. I do think his talent is being wasted tho by not having a proper position and regular starts tho. That isn't true and most of the top strikers got better after 22 most did not perform to the level Rashford has in 2.5 years after the Under 18's . You would be surprised how ordinary some looked at that point. Skill is not fixed it develops with practice and confidence You can pick a few exceptions but I have already showed Ronaldos record after 3 seasons and much more games having come from 2 seasons at Sporting was weaker. Ronaldo had very mixed views and his finishing at the beginning was worse than Rashfords He is also a much better all round footballer than many strikers already. He has huge potential and nobody at this stage can say they know either way He is also playing in a shit team and has scored more goals for England in 1/3 of the amount of games this season which is damning for us! I get the frustration at the moment and maybe I'm wrong, but I think he will be a 20-25 a year player eventually in the right system and coach. He may never be a Ronaldo, but he is no Wellbeck either.
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Post by _ on Nov 28, 2018 13:04:41 GMT
I'm hoping Lukaku at least goes back to being a flat-track bully. Right now he's an oxygen thief. In fairness when he started he was doing that a fair bit, but it's just another example of good players getting worse since they come here. He started brightly then just completely went shit along with Sanchez He is also a really ordinary footballer at best which is not helping us!
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Post by bushy1987 on Nov 28, 2018 13:08:01 GMT
I know with a striker you either can finish or you can't it's just something your born with, you can't teach clinical players like ruud was just born to score goals, now rashford will never be clinical like that but surely with the right coaching we can improve his decision making and maybe improve his finishing to a certain extent. I do think his talent is being wasted tho by not having a proper position and regular starts tho. That isn't true and most of the top strikers got better after 22 most did not perform to the level Rashford has in 2.5 years after the Under 18's . You would be surprised how ordinary some looked at that point. Skill is not fixed it develops with practice and confidence You can pick a few exceptions but I have already showed Ronaldos record after 3 seasons and much more games having come from 2 seasons at Sporting was weaker. Ronaldo had very mixed views and his finishing at the beginning was worse than Rashfords He is also a much better all round footballer than many strikers already. He has huge potential and nobody at this stage can say they know either way He is also playing in a shit team and has scored more goals for England in 1/3 of the amount of games this season which is damning for us! I get the frustration at the moment and maybe I'm wrong, but I think he will be a 20-25 a year player eventually in the right system and coach. He may never be a Ronaldo, but he is no Wellbeck either. I wasn't slagging him of and I do like rashford, I was saying he will never be a clinical striker IMO I just don't see that in him, he's not a ruud or aguero type of clinical striker. Also the Ronaldo comparisons are pointless because he is just a freak of nature, I don't think I will see a player as good as him for a very long time
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Post by . on Nov 28, 2018 13:14:53 GMT
I'm still amazed that this is apparently an issue. Have a look at Klopp when he's riled up on the touchline. As has been said don't like him but they were water bottles for christsakes!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 13:25:38 GMT
That isn't true and most of the top strikers got better after 22 most did not perform to the level Rashford has in 2.5 years after the Under 18's . You would be surprised how ordinary some looked at that point. Skill is not fixed it develops with practice and confidence You can pick a few exceptions but I have already showed Ronaldos record after 3 seasons and much more games having come from 2 seasons at Sporting was weaker. Ronaldo had very mixed views and his finishing at the beginning was worse than Rashfords He is also a much better all round footballer than many strikers already. He has huge potential and nobody at this stage can say they know either way He is also playing in a shit team and has scored more goals for England in 1/3 of the amount of games this season which is damning for us! I get the frustration at the moment and maybe I'm wrong, but I think he will be a 20-25 a year player eventually in the right system and coach. He may never be a Ronaldo, but he is no Wellbeck either. I wasn't slagging him of and I do like rashford, I was saying he will never be a clinical striker IMO I just don't see that in him, he's not a ruud or aguero type of clinical striker. Also the Ronaldo comparisons are pointless because he is just a freak of nature, I don't think I will see a player as good as him for a very long time Ruud didn't become clinical until he was 22 or 23. 20 goals in 70 games for Den Bosch. 16 goals in 36 for Hereenven. He figured it out at PSV though and the rest is history. Have faith in the lad. He has everything he needs.
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Post by Reduntildeath on Nov 28, 2018 13:40:48 GMT
I would have responded with a spiky comment earlier, but really cannot be bothered know it all like you. It isn't really "know it all". Just "know it basic common knowledge or what should be at this point". QED
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Post by _ on Nov 28, 2018 13:54:28 GMT
That isn't true and most of the top strikers got better after 22 most did not perform to the level Rashford has in 2.5 years after the Under 18's . You would be surprised how ordinary some looked at that point. Skill is not fixed it develops with practice and confidence You can pick a few exceptions but I have already showed Ronaldos record after 3 seasons and much more games having come from 2 seasons at Sporting was weaker. Ronaldo had very mixed views and his finishing at the beginning was worse than Rashfords He is also a much better all round footballer than many strikers already. He has huge potential and nobody at this stage can say they know either way He is also playing in a shit team and has scored more goals for England in 1/3 of the amount of games this season which is damning for us! I get the frustration at the moment and maybe I'm wrong, but I think he will be a 20-25 a year player eventually in the right system and coach. He may never be a Ronaldo, but he is no Wellbeck either. I wasn't slagging him of and I do like rashford, I was saying he will never be a clinical striker IMO I just don't see that in him, he's not a ruud or aguero type of clinical striker. A lso the Ronaldo comparisons are pointless because he is just a freak of nature, I don't think I will see a player as good as him for a very long time Yeah I know you weren't slagging him... just having a conversation..! They are relative though, because it's common for these prolific strikers to be less clinical at that age. Rashfords record is better than Ronaldo's, whom I saw play a lot those years and remember the very mixed buzz and sometimes total frustration. I am not saying he will be the same, but just highlighting how much these guys can change or improve (or maybe not)
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Post by _ on Nov 28, 2018 14:01:22 GMT
That isn't true and most of the top strikers got better after 22 most did not perform to the level Rashford has in 2.5 years after the Under 18's . You would be surprised how ordinary some looked at that point. Skill is not fixed it develops with practice and confidence You can pick a few exceptions but I have already showed Ronaldos record after 3 seasons and much more games having come from 2 seasons at Sporting was weaker. Ronaldo had very mixed views and his finishing at the beginning was worse than Rashfords He is also a much better all round footballer than many strikers already. He has huge potential and nobody at this stage can say they know either way He is also playing in a shit team and has scored more goals for England in 1/3 of the amount of games this season which is damning for us! I get the frustration at the moment and maybe I'm wrong, but I think he will be a 20-25 a year player eventually in the right system and coach. He may never be a Ronaldo, but he is no Wellbeck either. I wasn't slagging him of and I do like rashford, I was saying he will never be a clinical striker IMO I just don't see that in him, he's not a ruud or aguero type of clinical striker. Also the Ronaldo comparisons are pointless because he is just a freak of nature, I don't think I will see a player as good as him for a very long time A more recent example is Salah He was Rashfords age now when he went to Chelsea and looked like a pretty ordinary winger. He improved at Roma, but didn't look like anything special. The right coach and system for him and he can't stop scoring!? The whole attack is a bit frustrating right now and hard to get your head around most of the performances of the strikers and forwards
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Post by Karma on Nov 28, 2018 15:10:29 GMT
I know with a striker you either can finish or you can't it's just something your born with, you can't teach clinical players like ruud was just born to score goals, now rashford will never be clinical like that but surely with the right coaching we can improve his decision making and maybe improve his finishing to a certain extent. I do think his talent is being wasted tho by not having a proper position and regular starts tho. He probably gets more game time than most players his age. I think you summed it up with your first sentence. Is he a striker or not? I'm leaning towards more of a winger/no 10.
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Nov 28, 2018 15:22:07 GMT
Bin Alexis, bin Lukaku, sign Dybala and build around a core of him and the remaining lads (Martial, Rashford, Lingard, Mata).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 15:41:05 GMT
Bin Alexis, bin Lukaku, sign Dybala and build around a core of him and the remaining lads (Martial, Rashford, Lingard, Mata). Would love him to come to us. Been a big fan of his. I'd gladly take that.
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