Manchester United v Young Boys 27.11.2018 8pm CL

[Rustin Cohle]

Nov 27, 2018 10:10:31 GMT Carbon said:

so from the thread title are we playing home or away? - I have a few days away and things goto pot.

It's a lawless jungle without you Carbs

[Rustin Cohle]

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/manchester-united-no-longer-have-players-who-bleed-for-cause-r0cmpg7wk

Manchester United no longer have players who bleed for cause

When Manchester United were last really good in the Premier League, under Sir Alex Ferguson during that epic 2012-13 title-winning season, there was a rhythm to their results. There was a consistency, a resilience and a desire to fight back from any setback.

United’s players were undeniably stirred by the remarkable Ferguson, who climbed aboard the team bus outside a crowing Stadium of Light at the end of the galling previous season, marched up and down the aisle, saying, “Don’t you ever forget what this feels like. Let this motivate you to win the league next year.”

So when they were ambushed at Goodison Park on August 20, 2012, United’s response read WWWW, including victory at Anfield. The players could still hear the sound of Sunderland fans cheering the news of Sergio Agüero’s goal to seal the title for Manchester City. They still recalled the sight of Sunderland fans doing the Poznan.

So when they then lost 3-2 to Spurs, Ferguson’s players hit back with , including victory at Stamford Bridge. So much character, from Rafael to Rio Ferdinand, Nemanja Vidic and Jonny Evans to Patrice Evra, to Michael Carrick and even an ageing Paul Scholes, to Wayne Rooney, Ryan Giggs and Robin van Persie, all players with a winning mentality.

On it went. So how did they react to the shock of a big L at Norwich City? Simple: , including success at the Etihad. Then a draw at Swansea City? WWWW. Drop two points at Spurs? , scoring 13 and conceding only once.

After that Jay Rodriguez goal for Southampton on January 30, 2013, United did not ship another league goal for another 11 hours and 18 minutes. They threw themselves in the way of shots, stretched for clearances, gave everything. And how did they respond to a 2-1 reverse to Manchester City? They won 2-0 at Stoke City, drew at West Ham and Robin van Persie’s hat-trick against Aston Villa sealed a 20th title with four games to spare.

Such was life for players under Ferguson. There was belief in him as a manager, a leader of men, as well as in his game plans, invariably positive. Such a connection appears absent under José Mourinho. His constant carping about them in public does not help, especially in an era of more sensitive players. Even Ferguson had been turning down the hairdryer. Yet he always fostered a siege mentality in his players, who fought for each other, for the shirt until the final whistle.

It is difficult to inculcate a siege mentality in the dressing room when criticising players openly as Mourinho does, views that should remain inside the dressing room. Mourinho’s negativity in tactics and man-management clearly inhibits this great club and Saturday’s stultifying stalemate against Crystal Palace simply intensifies debate about his future.

Those advocating Mourinho being eased out mid-season must first acknowledge that heavyweight replacements are unlikely to be available before next summer. United are still in the Champions League, and could even reach the knockout stage by defeating Young Boys tonight in Group H if Valencia fail to beat Juventus in Turin.

United’s executive vice-chairman, Ed Woodward, still signals his support for Mourinho, and will back him in the January transfer window. Woodward’s own credibility would take a further hammering if he sacked another manager who he appointed.

But it’s a mess. United had an identity under Ferguson and it included bouncing back, proving critics wrong. They have no defined identity under Mourinho. United’s players would probably respond to the more enlightened management styles of Pep Guardiola, Jürgen Klopp and Mauricio Pochettino — attack the opposition and defend your players.

Mourinho is clearly part of the problem, and the players have serious issues with his approach, but a vital point is being forgotten here, and that is that Paul Pogba and all who inhabit that dressing room still have a duty to the famous shirt; to those tens of thousands who gather to sing their names on match day; to the tens of millions around the world who back them passionately; and to those who pay their handsome wages.

When the club return to the transfer market, they must buy strong characters as well as strong technical talents. This is why they need an experienced director of football to work with the manager, rather than using Woodward, who can spot a great commercial deal but not always land the right type of player.

In 2012-13, character abounded in the dressing room. Vidic, Ferdinand and Evra were all leaders. Ditto Carrick and Rooney, more quietly. Any of those five would take the armband before Antonio Valencia, still not fluent in English, despite a decade in the Premier League, Ashley Young or the underperfoming Pogba, who is not considered officer material by Mourinho despite having given the most rousing of rallying cries of 2018 to his France team-mates before the World Cup final.

Pogba is coasting. Derision duly followed his post of a picture of him running with the ball past Palace’s Andros Townsend with the words “never give up”. He was replaced halfway through the second half. He is a special talent but his commitment is hardly of the Gary Neville level. If you have the honour to represent Manchester United Football Club, you run until you drop.

Even if tensions exist between him and Mourinho, Pogba should be giving more. Mourinho’s criticism cannot explain why Pogba doesn’t track back, doesn’t seize games, can give the ball away and why he fails to lead. He’s not alone, as Alexis Sánchez seems to have confused dynamism with nonchalance.

Questions about leadership spread throughout football in the modern era, probably society too, and United are hardly alone in worrying where their next warrior is coming from. United fans would prefer to avert their gaze but a glimpse in the Liverpool dressing room reveals Virgil van Dijk, James Milner and Jordan Henderson setting the tone or Vincent Kompany at Manchester City or Harry Kane at Spurs, setting the standards. Those three clubs have players who bleed for the cause.

United once did. As the post-Palace inquest fomented, texts from a friend, a diehard, home-and-away Red not naturally given to splenetic reactions, captured the fans’ frustration. It’s the lack of pride that got to him, the acquiescence, the timidity and abnegation of responsibility.

“When Gary Neville was made captain, I felt it was a great choice because he had United blood running through his veins,” the fan lamented. “There isn’t a person in the squad like that anymore let alone the starting line-up.

“It was appalling [against Palace]. The players looked as if they didn’t care at all. Very difficult to say who had a decent game. I am not surprised there are rumours of players leaving. After all why would you want to stay? Woodward should go and also José, the players do not seem to respect him.

“It is a sad state of affairs when they do not play for the right to wear the shirt and at the moment we are clueless and rudderless and sadly the people sitting upstairs or in the Everglades do not seem concerned as long as the shirts sell and the dollars roll in. What Sir Bobby [Charlton] and Sir Alex make of it all after making the club what it was is beyond comprehension.”

It must break their hearts, as they sit there, symbols of bygone excellence, models of ceaseless commitment as the club they have served so loyally loses its way on and off the field. Recoveries have occurred in the league under Mourinho, against Newcastle United and Bournemouth, when ignominy beckoned, but they faded against Palace. This is not the United way. The meek shall inherit only the scorched earth. Only the strongest survive at United. The shirt can weigh heavy but some do fight through nervous, demanding times. When Victor Lindelof arrived last year, some at Carrington privately discussed whether the Swedish centre back recruited from Benfica possessed “the character to be a United player”.

Lindelof was initially weak and unimpressive, bullied frequently by opposing forwards, but he imposed himself, and has been United’s most consistent outfield player this season which is why it is so ill-timed that he is now out injured. Luke Shaw has endured some of Mourinho’s “tough love” treatment and come through it, showing his abilities. Anthony Martial probably does not quite deserve the club’s social media adoration just yet but has risen to some of the challenges.

And so they should. Of course, blame needs apportioning all around Old Trafford: from the wretched Glazer family in Florida who own this footballing institution but love money more than the game; to the rather naive Woodward; to the overcautious Mourinho; and on to the underachieving players. They are the ones on the field. They have to play for the shirt, properly, passionately.

[ratbag]

Nov 27, 2018 11:16:01 GMT Rustin Cohle said:

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/manchester-united-no-longer-have-players-who-bleed-for-cause-r0cmpg7wk

Manchester United no longer have players who bleed for cause

When Manchester United were last really good in the Premier League, under Sir Alex Ferguson during that epic 2012-13 title-winning season, there was a rhythm to their results. There was a consistency, a resilience and a desire to fight back from any setback.

United’s players were undeniably stirred by the remarkable Ferguson, who climbed aboard the team bus outside a crowing Stadium of Light at the end of the galling previous season, marched up and down the aisle, saying, “Don’t you ever forget what this feels like. Let this motivate you to win the league next year.”

So when they were ambushed at Goodison Park on August 20, 2012, United’s response read WWWW, including victory at Anfield. The players could still hear the sound of Sunderland fans cheering the news of Sergio Agüero’s goal to seal the title for Manchester City. They still recalled the sight of Sunderland fans doing the Poznan.

So when they then lost 3-2 to Spurs, Ferguson’s players hit back with , including victory at Stamford Bridge. So much character, from Rafael to Rio Ferdinand, Nemanja Vidic and Jonny Evans to Patrice Evra, to Michael Carrick and even an ageing Paul Scholes, to Wayne Rooney, Ryan Giggs and Robin van Persie, all players with a winning mentality.

On it went. So how did they react to the shock of a big L at Norwich City? Simple: , including success at the Etihad. Then a draw at Swansea City? WWWW. Drop two points at Spurs? , scoring 13 and conceding only once.

After that Jay Rodriguez goal for Southampton on January 30, 2013, United did not ship another league goal for another 11 hours and 18 minutes. They threw themselves in the way of shots, stretched for clearances, gave everything. And how did they respond to a 2-1 reverse to Manchester City? They won 2-0 at Stoke City, drew at West Ham and Robin van Persie’s hat-trick against Aston Villa sealed a 20th title with four games to spare.

Such was life for players under Ferguson. There was belief in him as a manager, a leader of men, as well as in his game plans, invariably positive. Such a connection appears absent under José Mourinho. His constant carping about them in public does not help, especially in an era of more sensitive players. Even Ferguson had been turning down the hairdryer. Yet he always fostered a siege mentality in his players, who fought for each other, for the shirt until the final whistle.

It is difficult to inculcate a siege mentality in the dressing room when criticising players openly as Mourinho does, views that should remain inside the dressing room. Mourinho’s negativity in tactics and man-management clearly inhibits this great club and Saturday’s stultifying stalemate against Crystal Palace simply intensifies debate about his future.

Those advocating Mourinho being eased out mid-season must first acknowledge that heavyweight replacements are unlikely to be available before next summer. United are still in the Champions League, and could even reach the knockout stage by defeating Young Boys tonight in Group H if Valencia fail to beat Juventus in Turin.

United’s executive vice-chairman, Ed Woodward, still signals his support for Mourinho, and will back him in the January transfer window. Woodward’s own credibility would take a further hammering if he sacked another manager who he appointed.

But it’s a mess. United had an identity under Ferguson and it included bouncing back, proving critics wrong. They have no defined identity under Mourinho. United’s players would probably respond to the more enlightened management styles of Pep Guardiola, Jürgen Klopp and Mauricio Pochettino — attack the opposition and defend your players.

Mourinho is clearly part of the problem, and the players have serious issues with his approach, but a vital point is being forgotten here, and that is that Paul Pogba and all who inhabit that dressing room still have a duty to the famous shirt; to those tens of thousands who gather to sing their names on match day; to the tens of millions around the world who back them passionately; and to those who pay their handsome wages.

When the club return to the transfer market, they must buy strong characters as well as strong technical talents. This is why they need an experienced director of football to work with the manager, rather than using Woodward, who can spot a great commercial deal but not always land the right type of player.

In 2012-13, character abounded in the dressing room. Vidic, Ferdinand and Evra were all leaders. Ditto Carrick and Rooney, more quietly. Any of those five would take the armband before Antonio Valencia, still not fluent in English, despite a decade in the Premier League, Ashley Young or the underperfoming Pogba, who is not considered officer material by Mourinho despite having given the most rousing of rallying cries of 2018 to his France team-mates before the World Cup final.

Pogba is coasting. Derision duly followed his post of a picture of him running with the ball past Palace’s Andros Townsend with the words “never give up”. He was replaced halfway through the second half. He is a special talent but his commitment is hardly of the Gary Neville level. If you have the honour to represent Manchester United Football Club, you run until you drop.

Even if tensions exist between him and Mourinho, Pogba should be giving more. Mourinho’s criticism cannot explain why Pogba doesn’t track back, doesn’t seize games, can give the ball away and why he fails to lead. He’s not alone, as Alexis Sánchez seems to have confused dynamism with nonchalance.

Questions about leadership spread throughout football in the modern era, probably society too, and United are hardly alone in worrying where their next warrior is coming from. United fans would prefer to avert their gaze but a glimpse in the Liverpool dressing room reveals Virgil van Dijk, James Milner and Jordan Henderson setting the tone or Vincent Kompany at Manchester City or Harry Kane at Spurs, setting the standards. Those three clubs have players who bleed for the cause.

United once did. As the post-Palace inquest fomented, texts from a friend, a diehard, home-and-away Red not naturally given to splenetic reactions, captured the fans’ frustration. It’s the lack of pride that got to him, the acquiescence, the timidity and abnegation of responsibility.

“When Gary Neville was made captain, I felt it was a great choice because he had United blood running through his veins,” the fan lamented. “There isn’t a person in the squad like that anymore let alone the starting line-up.

“It was appalling [against Palace]. The players looked as if they didn’t care at all. Very difficult to say who had a decent game. I am not surprised there are rumours of players leaving. After all why would you want to stay? Woodward should go and also José, the players do not seem to respect him.

“It is a sad state of affairs when they do not play for the right to wear the shirt and at the moment we are clueless and rudderless and sadly the people sitting upstairs or in the Everglades do not seem concerned as long as the shirts sell and the dollars roll in. What Sir Bobby [Charlton] and Sir Alex make of it all after making the club what it was is beyond comprehension.”

It must break their hearts, as they sit there, symbols of bygone excellence, models of ceaseless commitment as the club they have served so loyally loses its way on and off the field. Recoveries have occurred in the league under Mourinho, against Newcastle United and Bournemouth, when ignominy beckoned, but they faded against Palace. This is not the United way. The meek shall inherit only the scorched earth. Only the strongest survive at United. The shirt can weigh heavy but some do fight through nervous, demanding times. When Victor Lindelof arrived last year, some at Carrington privately discussed whether the Swedish centre back recruited from Benfica possessed “the character to be a United player”.

Lindelof was initially weak and unimpressive, bullied frequently by opposing forwards, but he imposed himself, and has been United’s most consistent outfield player this season which is why it is so ill-timed that he is now out injured. Luke Shaw has endured some of Mourinho’s “tough love” treatment and come through it, showing his abilities. Anthony Martial probably does not quite deserve the club’s social media adoration just yet but has risen to some of the challenges.

And so they should. Of course, blame needs apportioning all around Old Trafford: from the wretched Glazer family in Florida who own this footballing institution but love money more than the game; to the rather naive Woodward; to the overcautious Mourinho; and on to the underachieving players. They are the ones on the field. They have to play for the shirt, properly, passionately.

Pretty much agree with every word...

Yes, it is the 'wretched Glazer family', yes it is Fuckwit Ed, yes, it is Mourinho but it is also the players...

Maybe they would play better under a different manager - and I believe most of them would but where is the pride? If not for the club and the shirt then just for themselves?

[_]

Nov 27, 2018 11:16:01 GMT Rustin Cohle said:

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/manchester-united-no-longer-have-players-who-bleed-for-cause-r0cmpg7wk

Manchester United no longer have players who bleed for cause

When Manchester United were last really good in the Premier League, under Sir Alex Ferguson during that epic 2012-13 title-winning season, there was a rhythm to their results. There was a consistency, a resilience and a desire to fight back from any setback.

United’s players were undeniably stirred by the remarkable Ferguson, who climbed aboard the team bus outside a crowing Stadium of Light at the end of the galling previous season, marched up and down the aisle, saying, “Don’t you ever forget what this feels like. Let this motivate you to win the league next year.”

So when they were ambushed at Goodison Park on August 20, 2012, United’s response read WWWW, including victory at Anfield. The players could still hear the sound of Sunderland fans cheering the news of Sergio Agüero’s goal to seal the title for Manchester City. They still recalled the sight of Sunderland fans doing the Poznan.

So when they then lost 3-2 to Spurs, Ferguson’s players hit back with , including victory at Stamford Bridge. So much character, from Rafael to Rio Ferdinand, Nemanja Vidic and Jonny Evans to Patrice Evra, to Michael Carrick and even an ageing Paul Scholes, to Wayne Rooney, Ryan Giggs and Robin van Persie, all players with a winning mentality.

On it went. So how did they react to the shock of a big L at Norwich City? Simple: , including success at the Etihad. Then a draw at Swansea City? WWWW. Drop two points at Spurs? , scoring 13 and conceding only once.

After that Jay Rodriguez goal for Southampton on January 30, 2013, United did not ship another league goal for another 11 hours and 18 minutes. They threw themselves in the way of shots, stretched for clearances, gave everything. And how did they respond to a 2-1 reverse to Manchester City? They won 2-0 at Stoke City, drew at West Ham and Robin van Persie’s hat-trick against Aston Villa sealed a 20th title with four games to spare.

Such was life for players under Ferguson. There was belief in him as a manager, a leader of men, as well as in his game plans, invariably positive. Such a connection appears absent under José Mourinho. His constant carping about them in public does not help, especially in an era of more sensitive players. Even Ferguson had been turning down the hairdryer. Yet he always fostered a siege mentality in his players, who fought for each other, for the shirt until the final whistle.

It is difficult to inculcate a siege mentality in the dressing room when criticising players openly as Mourinho does, views that should remain inside the dressing room. Mourinho’s negativity in tactics and man-management clearly inhibits this great club and Saturday’s stultifying stalemate against Crystal Palace simply intensifies debate about his future.

Those advocating Mourinho being eased out mid-season must first acknowledge that heavyweight replacements are unlikely to be available before next summer. United are still in the Champions League, and could even reach the knockout stage by defeating Young Boys tonight in Group H if Valencia fail to beat Juventus in Turin.

United’s executive vice-chairman, Ed Woodward, still signals his support for Mourinho, and will back him in the January transfer window. Woodward’s own credibility would take a further hammering if he sacked another manager who he appointed.

But it’s a mess. United had an identity under Ferguson and it included bouncing back, proving critics wrong. They have no defined identity under Mourinho. United’s players would probably respond to the more enlightened management styles of Pep Guardiola, Jürgen Klopp and Mauricio Pochettino — attack the opposition and defend your players.

Mourinho is clearly part of the problem, and the players have serious issues with his approach, but a vital point is being forgotten here, and that is that Paul Pogba and all who inhabit that dressing room still have a duty to the famous shirt; to those tens of thousands who gather to sing their names on match day; to the tens of millions around the world who back them passionately; and to those who pay their handsome wages.

When the club return to the transfer market, they must buy strong characters as well as strong technical talents. This is why they need an experienced director of football to work with the manager, rather than using Woodward, who can spot a great commercial deal but not always land the right type of player.

In 2012-13, character abounded in the dressing room. Vidic, Ferdinand and Evra were all leaders. Ditto Carrick and Rooney, more quietly. Any of those five would take the armband before Antonio Valencia, still not fluent in English, despite a decade in the Premier League, Ashley Young or the underperfoming Pogba, who is not considered officer material by Mourinho despite having given the most rousing of rallying cries of 2018 to his France team-mates before the World Cup final.

Pogba is coasting. Derision duly followed his post of a picture of him running with the ball past Palace’s Andros Townsend with the words “never give up”. He was replaced halfway through the second half. He is a special talent but his commitment is hardly of the Gary Neville level. If you have the honour to represent Manchester United Football Club, you run until you drop.

Even if tensions exist between him and Mourinho, Pogba should be giving more. Mourinho’s criticism cannot explain why Pogba doesn’t track back, doesn’t seize games, can give the ball away and why he fails to lead. He’s not alone, as Alexis Sánchez seems to have confused dynamism with nonchalance.

Questions about leadership spread throughout football in the modern era, probably society too, and United are hardly alone in worrying where their next warrior is coming from. United fans would prefer to avert their gaze but a glimpse in the Liverpool dressing room reveals Virgil van Dijk, James Milner and Jordan Henderson setting the tone or Vincent Kompany at Manchester City or Harry Kane at Spurs, setting the standards. Those three clubs have players who bleed for the cause.

United once did. As the post-Palace inquest fomented, texts from a friend, a diehard, home-and-away Red not naturally given to splenetic reactions, captured the fans’ frustration. It’s the lack of pride that got to him, the acquiescence, the timidity and abnegation of responsibility.

“When Gary Neville was made captain, I felt it was a great choice because he had United blood running through his veins,” the fan lamented. “There isn’t a person in the squad like that anymore let alone the starting line-up.

“It was appalling [against Palace]. The players looked as if they didn’t care at all. Very difficult to say who had a decent game. I am not surprised there are rumours of players leaving. After all why would you want to stay? Woodward should go and also José, the players do not seem to respect him.

“It is a sad state of affairs when they do not play for the right to wear the shirt and at the moment we are clueless and rudderless and sadly the people sitting upstairs or in the Everglades do not seem concerned as long as the shirts sell and the dollars roll in. What Sir Bobby [Charlton] and Sir Alex make of it all after making the club what it was is beyond comprehension.”

It must break their hearts, as they sit there, symbols of bygone excellence, models of ceaseless commitment as the club they have served so loyally loses its way on and off the field. Recoveries have occurred in the league under Mourinho, against Newcastle United and Bournemouth, when ignominy beckoned, but they faded against Palace. This is not the United way. The meek shall inherit only the scorched earth. Only the strongest survive at United. The shirt can weigh heavy but some do fight through nervous, demanding times. When Victor Lindelof arrived last year, some at Carrington privately discussed whether the Swedish centre back recruited from Benfica possessed “the character to be a United player”.

Lindelof was initially weak and unimpressive, bullied frequently by opposing forwards, but he imposed himself, and has been United’s most consistent outfield player this season which is why it is so ill-timed that he is now out injured. Luke Shaw has endured some of Mourinho’s “tough love” treatment and come through it, showing his abilities. Anthony Martial probably does not quite deserve the club’s social media adoration just yet but has risen to some of the challenges.

And so they should. Of course, blame needs apportioning all around Old Trafford: from the wretched Glazer family in Florida who own this footballing institution but love money more than the game; to the rather naive Woodward; to the overcautious Mourinho; and on to the underachieving players. They are the ones on the field. They have to play for the shirt, properly, passionately.

Yeah, but Mourinhos's newest deflection narrative about young players  and not enough heart is all well and good. There was one moment in that game when Rashford a barely 21 year old forward chased a 40-60 ball down then put in two superb tackles to win the ball in our half and Lingard and others were breaking. We had a 4 on 2 situation and that fucking waste of space Sanchez needed to make one decent simple pass and he completely fucked it up in a situation you would expect a League 1 player to do better.

Matic was so slow and his usual boring sideways, backwards and Fellaini is always the answer.  Rashford and Martial are expected to defend half the game and then go on solo runs when they are double marked and there is nobody creating any space for them The muscular man up front Lukaku is so one dimensional, but also starved of ball ( Ashley Young where are you) Darmian Fuck OFF!! ( Dalot and Valencia were both fit) 

[Karma]

Nov 27, 2018 10:10:31 GMT Carbon said:

so from the thread title are we playing home or away? - I have a few days away and things goto pot.

Well I tend to put the home team first.

It's my style. 

[.]

It's been reported that the team have moved hotels tonight to be closer to Old Trafford after arriving late in previous CL home games.

Then Mourinho comes out and says if they are held up tonight, he's getting off the coach and walking again.

The club couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery.

[Bestie]

Should make our over-pampered petals walk to the fucking ground anyway.

[Deleted]

Be nice if he ended it tonight.

[.]

Nov 27, 2018 14:09:16 GMT Bestie said:

Should make our over-pampered petals walk to the fucking ground anyway.

Absolutely they should, couldn't agree more.

When we're having trouble arriving on time to our own home games at Old Trafford in the Champions League, well then we're genuinely fucked.

Ineptitude at the club is rampant.

[Deleted]

The fact getting to a fucking game on time when you're staying a few metres away is even being discussed shows what a laughing stock we're turning into.

God I can't wait for this bellend to fuck off.

[.]

Nov 27, 2018 15:44:39 GMT Paul said:

The fact getting to a fucking game on time when you're staying a few metres away is even being discussed shows what a laughing stock we're turning into.

God I can't wait for this bellend to fuck off.

Paul, if we don't make it on time tonight, it will be the third time in a row at home in the Champions League.

We're comical.

[bushy1987]

Nov 27, 2018 15:44:39 GMT Paul said:

The fact getting to a fucking game on time when you're staying a few metres away is even being discussed shows what a laughing stock we're turning into.

God I can't wait for this bellend to fuck off.

It's no excuse because the club should be at the ground well early enough but the roadworks round Salford quays and regent road ect are a fucking nightmare, takes over a hour each morning and night for my wife to get home and it's only about 5 miles as well

[Bestie]

Nov 27, 2018 15:44:39 GMT Paul said:

The fact getting to a fucking game on time when you're staying a few metres away is even being discussed shows what a laughing stock we're turning into.

God I can't wait for this bellend to fuck off.

How the flying fuck is it Mourinho's fault?

[Deleted]

Nov 27, 2018 15:28:56 GMT Paul said:

Be nice if he ended it tonight.

I don't think he'll score this side of the new year.

[Deleted]

Nov 27, 2018 15:59:58 GMT Bestie said:

Nov 27, 2018 15:44:39 GMT Paul said:

The fact getting to a fucking game on time when you're staying a few metres away is even being discussed shows what a laughing stock we're turning into.

God I can't wait for this bellend to fuck off.

How the flying fuck is it Mourinho's fault?

Because he's talking about it in a fucking press conference making it an issue when it really shouldn't be. That's fucking why.

I didn't say it was his fault that we're late. It is his fault however that it's even being discussed. A game of huge importance and he wants to talk about getting to the game on time. Says it all.