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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 22:52:51 GMT
This specific season is as bad as anything we've had post Feguson. The season LVG got sacked LVG Awful Season: 14 games 8 wins 4 draws 2 losses 28 points +10 goal difference This season 14 games 6 wins 4 draws 4 losses 22 points -1 goal difference The goal difference comparison is pretty damning for Jose and anyone who still thinks the football isn't as bad now as it was under LVG. Moyes'record was exactly the same as Mourinho's except Moyes had +4 goal difference. |
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Post by Karma on Dec 1, 2018 22:58:43 GMT
Ronaldo, valencia when he was still good and Giggs. Nani was never guaranteed a starting spot. Pogba is. Why is Pogba guaranteed a starting point? He's had more shit or average games than good ones for us. He definitely doesn't deserve a guaranteed starting spot. They both share similar attributes for us, neither have reached their top level for us, both were largely inconsistent but when they did turn up they looked world class. If we had owners who cared enough, get rid, spend the money on an alternative who turns up more often than he does. However, the gimps will probably double his wages to try and get him to stay. |
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Post by Kojak on Dec 1, 2018 22:58:47 GMT
Lukaku is not only the worst starting striker we've had in the Premier League era, he's also worse than the bulk of the second string ones we've had. Ole, Teddy, Chicharito, Forlan, Berbatov, Tevez etc all weren't guaranteed starters and were all better than him. That's off the top of my head. And you could say the same about most of our players. Nicky Butt was better than all of our supposed holding players. Hargreaves the same, and he was better than any of these lads on the right too. Heinze was better than all of our fullbacks and even the bulk of the CB's. Veron is laughed at for his time in England and he'd be essentially our best player by a mile now. The point I'm making is some of those players are just footnotes from the Fergie era. But they were streets ahead of some of these cowards. The whole club is fucked from top to bottom. Thing he wasn't this bad last season and he isn't this bad for Belgium so who do you blame? Frustrating thing is he's the 26th highest goalscorer in the premier league so far at only 25 years old. He's got stuff to work on but I honestly think a lot of it is down to the system that's letting him down, same for a lot of players, Rashford, Martial even Pogba, its like trying to put square pegs in round holes. We all know he s first touch is dreadful most of the time but as Scholes said he's trying to be a footballer and he's not one, he's a finisher and needs to be set up that way. I can't factually back this up as I haven't looked into it, so this is a genuine question, is he not just largely scoring against shit sides for Belgium like he's essentially done in his club career? I don't think he scored in the World Cup after the group stage, but his actual performances in terms of working for the team were impressive. He was terrific against Brazil I think it was. So he probably has been better for Belgium, maybe regardless of who he's scoring against. But we've just not seen that enough here. And to make matters worse he's now heavy as fuck and can't get moving quickly enough. Even last season there were people saying he was our worst ever starting striker, and as you say, he was definitely better last season. But for me even on last season's form he's not good enough to play for United. Or not as a starter anyway. He's clearly got no confidence, but it's not the manager's fault he's missed the chances he has. There are compilations kicking around of his missed chances this season, and they're fucking disgusting. It's not Jose's fault that he hasn't been able to finish his dinner this season. Although the size of the cunt, actually finishing his literal dinner hasn't been a problem for him. He's the wrong type of striker for United. We've never had lumps up top, and it's impossible to play great football with him up there. Not because he's a lump, but because his technique is dog shit. He'll continue to score goals in his career I'm sure, but many feared he was never going to be top level before we bought him, and for me that's proven to be true. |
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Post by Karma on Dec 1, 2018 23:00:40 GMT
The goal difference comparison is pretty damning for Jose and anyone who still thinks the football isn't as bad now as it was under LVG. Moyes'record was exactly the same as Mourinho's except Moyes had +4 goal difference. Yeah but Moyes could only dream of winning the 3 trophies we managed after he left! +4 or not. |
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Post by weetomsligaments on Dec 1, 2018 23:15:00 GMT
Moyes'record was exactly the same as Mourinho's except Moyes had +4 goal difference. Yeah but Moyes could only dream of winning the 3 trophies we managed after he left! +4 or not. United are not going to win another trophy with Mourinho. He shot his wad. He was acceptable at first. Now he is operating at Moyes quality. Think that through. He brought 3 trophies, now he has a similar record to Moyes. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 23:18:57 GMT
Moyes'record was exactly the same as Mourinho's except Moyes had +4 goal difference. Yeah but Moyes could only dream of winning the 3 trophies we managed after he left! +4 or not. That's why I specified this season as in this is the one he deserves to be sacked for. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 23:19:58 GMT
Why is Pogba guaranteed a starting point? He's had more shit or average games than good ones for us. He definitely doesn't deserve a guaranteed starting spot. They both share similar attributes for us, neither have reached their top level for us, both were largely inconsistent but when they did turn up they looked world class. If we had owners who cared enough, get rid, spend the money on an alternative who turns up more often than he does. However, the gimps will probably double his wages to try and get him to stay. that would be the managers decision, not the owners but good job. |
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Post by Karma on Dec 1, 2018 23:26:38 GMT
Yeah but Moyes could only dream of winning the 3 trophies we managed after he left! +4 or not. United are not going to win another trophy with Mourinho. He shot his wad. He was acceptable at first. Now he is operating at Moyes quality. Think that through. He brought 3 trophies, now he has a similar record to Moyes. Bought 3 trophies? Isnt that what all managers do? Or am I missing something here? Regardless of what has happened this season the record books will show 2 trophies in his first season, you can compare him with Moyes all you want. |
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Post by Karma on Dec 1, 2018 23:29:14 GMT
If we had owners who cared enough, get rid, spend the money on an alternative who turns up more often than he does. However, the gimps will probably double his wages to try and get him to stay. that would be the managers decision, not the owners but good job. Why does the manager call the shots on giving players new deals now? |
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Post by Bestie on Dec 1, 2018 23:35:41 GMT
If we had owners who cared enough, get rid, spend the money on an alternative who turns up more often than he does. However, the gimps will probably double his wages to try and get him to stay. that would be the managers decision, not the owners but good job.  At our club? Okay. |
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Post by weetomsligaments on Dec 1, 2018 23:41:23 GMT
United are not going to win another trophy with Mourinho. He shot his wad. He was acceptable at first. Now he is operating at Moyes quality. Think that through. He brought 3 trophies, now he has a similar record to Moyes. Bought 3 trophies? Isnt that what all managers do? Or am I missing something here? Regardless of what has happened this season the record books will show 2 trophies in his first season, you can compare him with Moyes all you want. You forgot the "r" in brought. And again, well done Mourinho on the 3 trophies. Acceptable results. This season however, will be remembered for exactly what it is. Moyes quality and Moyes results. Blame it all you want on the gimps. This man is paid £1M per month to manage this team. He is failing. And failing at the same rate as Moyes. |
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Post by Karma on Dec 1, 2018 23:48:35 GMT
Bought 3 trophies? Isnt that what all managers do? Or am I missing something here? Regardless of what has happened this season the record books will show 2 trophies in his first season, you can compare him with Moyes all you want. You forgot the "r" in brought. And again, well done Mourinho on the 3 trophies. Acceptable results. This season however, will be remembered for exactly what it is. Moyes quality and Moyes results. Blame it all you want on the gimps. This man is paid £1M per month to manage this team. He is failing. And failing at the same rate as Moyes. So who is responsible for him still being here? I don't remember the previous managers walking. So it's entirely on the owners. |
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Post by weetomsligaments on Dec 2, 2018 0:51:16 GMT
You forgot the "r" in brought. And again, well done Mourinho on the 3 trophies. Acceptable results. This season however, will be remembered for exactly what it is. Moyes quality and Moyes results. Blame it all you want on the gimps. This man is paid £1M per month to manage this team. He is failing. And failing at the same rate as Moyes. So who is responsible for him still being here? I don't remember the previous managers walking. So it's entirely on the owners. Not having it. He has a job to do. And is failing. His results are exactly what they are. Moyes levels of incompetence. And he is doing it with the worlds second largest wage bill. And significantly more talented players. He should have been fired ages ago. But that is no excuse for his ineptitude. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 0:59:38 GMT
that would be the managers decision, not the owners but good job. Why does the manager call the shots on giving players new deals now? United managers always have done. The club the will negotiate the wage but the manager will have input because they will say if they want the player or not and then they'll decide if that wage is worth it. I thought they were penny pinchers? This contradicts yourself. |
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Post by Karma on Dec 2, 2018 1:26:14 GMT
So who is responsible for him still being here? I don't remember the previous managers walking. So it's entirely on the owners. Not having it. He has a job to do. And is failing. His results are exactly what they are. Moyes levels of incompetence. And he is doing it with the worlds second largest wage bill. And significantly more talented players. He should have been fired ages ago. But that is no excuse for his ineptitude. So who is responsible for allowing us to chug on like this? I presume as well as sanctioning transfers/contract extensions he is also responsible for sacking himself as well? No wonder we are failing with all the responsibilities he has. It's so much clearer now. |
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