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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 22:51:34 GMT
There seems to be a culture of hopelessness around the capital. Maybe it's a combination of several factors? A sense of lawlessness? Poor role models? A dominant culture of drugs/gangs/lack of respect for the laws? I know poverty is often cited but poverty isn't just confined to London. Why are we not seeing similar patterns of violence in other big Cities? Manchester had years of trouble with gangs around Hulme and Moss Side so it's not immune from such issues! Which big cities aren't seeing violence? None of them. Crime rate will obviously go up in poorer places, there's tonnes of evidence of that, & in big cities that is made worse by the fact there's so many in such a small area. There's a hundred things that have to go wrong for someone to be stabbed & that's not going to be fixed by one internet thread. Geo is way off talking about the increase of police powers. Police don't stop things at the source, they are there to act after the problem has already occurred. |
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Post by Karma on Jan 10, 2019 0:18:36 GMT
There seems to be a culture of hopelessness around the capital. Maybe it's a combination of several factors? A sense of lawlessness? Poor role models? A dominant culture of drugs/gangs/lack of respect for the laws? I know poverty is often cited but poverty isn't just confined to London. Why are we not seeing similar patterns of violence in other big Cities? Manchester had years of trouble with gangs around Hulme and Moss Side so it's not immune from such issues! Which big cities aren't seeing violence? None of them. Crime rate will obviously go up in poorer places, there's tonnes of evidence of that, & in big cities that is made worse by the fact there's so many in such a small area. There's a hundred things that have to go wrong for someone to be stabbed & that's not going to be fixed by one internet thread. Geo is way off talking about the increase of police powers. Police don't stop things at the source, they are there to act after the problem has already occurred. I'm not suggesting other cites aren't violent every day there seems to be reports of stabbings. |
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Post by redcase on Jan 10, 2019 4:54:22 GMT
You lot might think I am talking out of my arse but it comes from a genuine anger that such young folk are losing their lives so needlessly and the effect it has on their families. and communities in general. By PC shite, what I was trying to say is that these young folk are growing up into a fearless culture with no respect for life and there is obviously no suitable deterrent in place, as it just keeps on happening.1. Given the scale of it now (regardless of the fact that it may have been previously abused) the police should not be deterred from stop and search powers and it should be embraced by all cultures in order to halt this2. I think its time to start considering a life for a life policy if the law catches up with you on this crime. These deaths cannot be considered mistakes (oh, I only meant a small puncture). If you carry that weapon you know its potential and in my opinion most of these cases have full intent. I myself was raised in a tough environment (as I am sure many here were). Never would I have considered this crime to be in any way acceptable and never would I have expected to see it become so common place. Its truly awful, the crime against such young folk and the knock on effect it has. If that's talking shite, fine, you carry on. (I didn't hear you proposed solution). As for the gems I italicized, I think everyone on planet earth is happy that you won't be in charge to do anything about it. |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jan 10, 2019 5:44:22 GMT
You lot might think I am talking out of my arse but it comes from a genuine anger that such young folk are losing their lives so needlessly and the effect it has on their families. and communities in general. By PC shite, what I was trying to say is that these young folk are growing up into a fearless culture with no respect for life and there is obviously no suitable deterrent in place, as it just keeps on happening.1. Given the scale of it now (regardless of the fact that it may have been previously abused) the police should not be deterred from stop and search powers and it should be embraced by all cultures in order to halt this2. I think its time to start considering a life for a life policy if the law catches up with you on this crime. These deaths cannot be considered mistakes (oh, I only meant a small puncture). If you carry that weapon you know its potential and in my opinion most of these cases have full intent. I myself was raised in a tough environment (as I am sure many here were). Never would I have considered this crime to be in any way acceptable and never would I have expected to see it become so common place. Its truly awful, the crime against such young folk and the knock on effect it has. If that's talking shite, fine, you carry on. (I didn't hear you proposed solution). As for the gems I italicized, I think everyone on planet earth is happy that you won't be in charge to do anything about it. The "life for a life" policy would be a handy way to sort out overcrowded prisons. Lets face it there are plenty of scum, that really aren't going to be rehab'd, that resources are being wasted on. |
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Post by king nothing on Jan 10, 2019 5:50:44 GMT
When I was doing bar work in the nineties, the pub I worked in was a really busy one. We didn't have door staff then, so it was down to the bar staff to sort shit out. There was an occasion where I had to stop a guy about to attack a young woman. I didn't know it at the time, but he had a knife in his hand. She got away but I was left dealing with this dude. I managed to calm him down, then he bolted. I don't mind saying that afterwards it hit me to how close I'd come to been stabbed. At the time, I was focusing in on cooling the situation down.
Around the same time a friend of mine had his throat and neck slashed with a stanley knife, missed his jugular by fractions of mm. Totally random. In broad daylight.
Unfortunately, knife crime has always been around and I've mentioned it before, I just can't get my head around loading out your pockets with mobile, change, gum, smokes and a fucking knife.
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Post by redcase on Jan 10, 2019 6:37:58 GMT
What you mean is irrelevant. What you said there has nothing to do with PC culture and you're an idiot if you continue to say that it does.As for the gems I italicized, I think everyone on planet earth is happy that you won't be in charge to do anything about it. The "life for a life" policy would be a handy way to sort out overcrowded prisons. Lets face it there are plenty of scum, that really aren't going to be rehab'd, that resources are being wasted on. True, but who is going to oversee this life for a life policy ? Politics is absolutely fucked right now. I wouldn't trust those bastards in power to wash my bathroom. We need something innovative in the prison systems the world over. But that's a different conversation. My point was that establishing a quasi-gestapo who have full liberty to do as they pleased is absolute lunacy . |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jan 10, 2019 6:41:11 GMT
The "life for a life" policy would be a handy way to sort out overcrowded prisons. Lets face it there are plenty of scum, that really aren't going to be rehab'd, that resources are being wasted on. True, but who is going to oversee this life for a life policy ? Politics is absolutely fucked right now. I wouldn't trust those bastards in power to wash my bathroom. We need something innovative in the prison systems the world over. But that's a different conversation. My point was that establishing a quasi-gestapo who have full liberty to do as they pleased is absolute lunacy . Oh god no. I wasn't seriously suggesting giving the govt those powers. Just that i had thought that type of policy has been needed for a while now. It's heading for 1984-esque territory as it, is without giving them full liberty. |
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Post by Karma on Jan 10, 2019 10:22:40 GMT
When I was doing bar work in the nineties, the pub I worked in was a really busy one. We didn't have door staff then, so it was down to the bar staff to sort shit out. There was an occasion where I had to stop a guy about to attack a young woman. I didn't know it at the time, but he had a knife in his hand. She got away but I was left dealing with this dude. I managed to calm him down, then he bolted. I don't mind saying that afterwards it hit me to how close I'd come to been stabbed. At the time, I was focusing in on cooling the situation down. Around the same time a friend of mine had his throat and neck slashed with a stanley knife, missed his jugular by fractions of mm. Totally random. In broad daylight. Unfortunately, knife crime has always been around and I've mentioned it before, I just can't get my head around loading out your pockets with mobile, change, gum, smokes and a fucking knife. My daughter's at University and works part time for Powerleague. Her work mate was attacked by some blokes at a function they were working at. He had to defend himself and the bouncer chucked them out. The police should have been called. She gets grief from tossers who get the hump when she asks them for id for alcohol. She's getting £5.90 an hour for the privilege. A lot of the people who work there are teenagers (mainly students) on minimum wage. There are some right scrotes around who think they can do whatever they want. |
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Post by Bestie on Jan 10, 2019 10:37:24 GMT
Childhood friend of mine got glassed on a night out when we were late teens. He still has the scars on his neck and face. Could have lost an eye, could have been killed. It was over nothing.
Another friend had a glass thrown at her by a former co-worker on a staff night out. This other girl had left the company and decided she didn't like my friend. Ended up with my friend sustaining cuts on her hands and mouth. She also chipped a sizeable portion of tooth. I ended up going to the police station with her a few days later when she gave her statement.
Neither of these incidents had a jot to do with political correctness.
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Post by Tatty on Jan 10, 2019 10:48:07 GMT
People are just cunts. Pure and simple.
Stick everyone one on an island. Battle Royal!
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Post by Karma on Jan 10, 2019 11:15:54 GMT
My mate was attacked by another girl basically out of jealously. This girl was in my class at school and was a bit of a twat. My friend is one of those people who don't cause trouble and actually try and avoid it.
Ugly bully versus pretty girl. Ended up sat in A and E while she had stitches put on her face.
One positive was the girl gang in the area were so disgusted at this unprovoked attack the bully was ostracised and lost all respect.
On a separate note glassings were common when I was a teenager especially in nightclubs. Rotters in Manchester was a popular one from what I remember.
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Post by redcase on Jan 10, 2019 11:37:44 GMT
People are just cunts. Pure and simple. Stick everyone one on an island. Battle Royal! We tried that. They call themselves Australia now. |
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Post by Tatty on Jan 10, 2019 12:12:18 GMT
People are just cunts. Pure and simple. Stick everyone one on an island. Battle Royal! We tried that. They call themselves Australia now. Post of the year. |
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Post by redcase on Jan 10, 2019 13:28:15 GMT
We tried that. They call themselves Australia now. Post of the year.  |
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