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Post by redcase on Aug 16, 2023 17:22:14 GMT
"We also have responsibilities to Mason as an employee, as a young person who has been with the club since the age of seven, and as a new father with a partner." Sorry but his time at the club or the fact he's just become a father are completely irrelevant to this case. The club have a responsibility to do the right thing and set an example. Allowing him back is not that. They can fuck off aswell wording it to make him sound like the victim here. The morals of this football club will have hit an all time low if they allow this. I can see a huge backlash from this aswell if it does. I’m sorry football is in no way a barometer to measure morality in society. If you’re looking to football to set standards for society then you definitely need to look elsewhere. Football now is all about profits and winning. The club statement sets the stage for Mason Greenwood to return. You may not like it and you may not like him, but he has the right to continue his footballing career whether the cancel mob accepts it or not. No person deserves to be pushed down and kept there especially when the law has set him free. Whether he continues at United or elsewhere, I hope he does well and betters himself as a husband/partner, father and footballer. You forgot to end that with Make Sexual Assault and Violence Against Women Great Again.
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Post by Stew on Aug 16, 2023 17:24:50 GMT
"We also have responsibilities to Mason as an employee, as a young person who has been with the club since the age of seven, and as a new father with a partner." Sorry but his time at the club or the fact he's just become a father are completely irrelevant to this case. The club have a responsibility to do the right thing and set an example. Allowing him back is not that. They can fuck off aswell wording it to make him sound like the victim here. The morals of this football club will have hit an all time low if they allow this. I can see a huge backlash from this aswell if it does. I’m sorry football is in no way a barometer to measure morality in society. If you’re looking to football to set standards for society then you definitely need to look elsewhere. Football now is all about profits and winning. The club statement sets the stage for Mason Greenwood to return. You may not like it and you may not like him, but he has the right to continue his footballing career whether the cancel mob accepts it or not. No person deserves to be pushed down and kept there especially when the law has set him free. Whether he continues at United or elsewhere, I hope he does well and betters himself as a husband/partner, father and footballer. He can start bettering himself by using his massive platform to try to educate other young men as to how his behaviour is abhorrent and unacceptable. I understand he cannot do that up to that point but it needs to be the first thing he does when he returns. Then he can offer to work with women’s aid charities and the like. That’s a start. We can worry about him doing well for Utd after that.
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Post by GeniusCantona on Aug 16, 2023 17:30:20 GMT
I’m sorry football is in no way a barometer to measure morality in society. If you’re looking to football to set standards for society then you definitely need to look elsewhere. Football now is all about profits and winning. The club statement sets the stage for Mason Greenwood to return. You may not like it and you may not like him, but he has the right to continue his footballing career whether the cancel mob accepts it or not. No person deserves to be pushed down and kept there especially when the law has set him free. Whether he continues at United or elsewhere, I hope he does well and betters himself as a husband/partner, father and footballer. He can start bettering himself by using his massive platform to try to educate other young men as to how his behaviour is abhorrent and unacceptable. I understand he cannot do that up to that point but it needs to be the first thing he does. Then he can offer to work with women’s aid charities and the like. That’s a start. We can worry about him doing well for Utd after that. 100% agree with this.
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Post by Reduntildeath on Aug 16, 2023 17:34:30 GMT
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Post by GeniusCantona on Aug 16, 2023 17:34:38 GMT
I’m sorry football is in no way a barometer to measure morality in society. If you’re looking to football to set standards for society then you definitely need to look elsewhere. Football now is all about profits and winning. The club statement sets the stage for Mason Greenwood to return. You may not like it and you may not like him, but he has the right to continue his footballing career whether the cancel mob accepts it or not. No person deserves to be pushed down and kept there especially when the law has set him free. Whether he continues at United or elsewhere, I hope he does well and betters himself as a husband/partner, father and footballer. You forgot to end that with Make Sexual Assault and Violence Against Women Great Again. I hope all convicted rapists and those who perpetrate violence against women get what they deserve. Mason however is not a criminal nor do any of us know the full story with the partial evidence that has been released to the public so far. That’s the only truth we know so far. The rest is all conjecture.
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Post by fergiegiveusawave on Aug 16, 2023 17:37:54 GMT
I’m sorry football is in no way a barometer to measure morality in society. If you’re looking to football to set standards for society then you definitely need to look elsewhere. Football now is all about profits and winning. The club statement sets the stage for Mason Greenwood to return. You may not like it and you may not like him, but he has the right to continue his footballing career whether the cancel mob accepts it or not. No person deserves to be pushed down and kept there especially when the law has set him free. Whether he continues at United or elsewhere, I hope he does well and betters himself as a husband/partner, father and footballer. He can start bettering himself by using his massive platform to try to educate other young men as to how his behaviour is abhorrent and unacceptable. I understand he cannot do that up to that point but it needs to be the first thing he does when he returns. Then he can offer to work with women’s aid charities and the like. That’s a start. We can worry about him doing well for Utd after that. He’s not going to do that though as there has not yet been any acceptance of wrongdoing.
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Post by redcase on Aug 16, 2023 17:50:37 GMT
He can start bettering himself by using his massive platform to try to educate other young men as to how his behaviour is abhorrent and unacceptable. I understand he cannot do that up to that point but it needs to be the first thing he does when he returns. Then he can offer to work with women’s aid charities and the like. That’s a start. We can worry about him doing well for Utd after that. He’s not going to do that though as there has not yet been any acceptance of wrongdoing. He HaS bEeN cLeAReD bY ThE LaAaw. Why should he? These assholes who keep talking about second chances for the poor little abuser don’t even pause to realize the little cunt hasn’t even begun to admit a mistake, let alone show remorse and atone.
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Post by JamBritRed on Aug 16, 2023 17:55:53 GMT
He’s not going to do that though as there has not yet been any acceptance of wrongdoing. He HaS bEeN cLeAReD bY ThE LaAaw. Why should he? These assholes who keep talking about second chances for the poor little abuser don’t even pause to realize the little cunt hasn’t even begun to admit a mistake, let alone show remorse and atone. it has been practically spelled out , yet the message seems to be missed. He CaNt SPeaK iF He's BeINg GaGGeD! Employer, Barrister, PR agent all would have told him to keep quiet and lay low until a decision is met. Yet we, with all the information and clarity on the situation, sit back and say "He ShoUlD HaVE SaID SomeThiNg bY Now! Off To ThE StaKes WitH HiM!" damned if you do, damned if you dont!
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Post by Paul on Aug 16, 2023 17:59:00 GMT
He can start bettering himself by using his massive platform to try to educate other young men as to how his behaviour is abhorrent and unacceptable. I understand he cannot do that up to that point but it needs to be the first thing he does when he returns. Then he can offer to work with women’s aid charities and the like. That’s a start. We can worry about him doing well for Utd after that. He’s not going to do that though as there has not yet been any acceptance of wrongdoing. Doing it because you have to isn't learning from it either. It's PR to keep his job.
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Post by GeniusCantona on Aug 16, 2023 17:59:49 GMT
He’s not going to do that though as there has not yet been any acceptance of wrongdoing. He HaS bEeN cLeAReD bY ThE LaAaw. Why should he? These assholes who keep talking about second chances for the poor little abuser don’t even pause to realize the little cunt hasn’t even begun to admit a mistake, let alone show remorse and atone. Do you know him personally? How do you know he hasn’t shown or acted with remorse? He’s probably been instructed by the club to not speak about it until they make their announcement. Again it’s all conjecture and speculation. wHy hAsN’T hE sAid aNyThiNg!? And mocking the law well it seems many are benefiting from speaking with freedom on the Mason situation without retribution. Fuck western society and its laws eh? What a shame that the geniuses on social media weren’t permitted to throw Mason in jail and to throw away the key. Mob rule is the best.
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Post by unitedsotex on Aug 16, 2023 18:26:49 GMT
He HaS bEeN cLeAReD bY ThE LaAaw. Why should he? These assholes who keep talking about second chances for the poor little abuser don’t even pause to realize the little cunt hasn’t even begun to admit a mistake, let alone show remorse and atone. it has been practically spelled out , yet the message seems to be missed. He CaNt SPeaK iF He's BeINg GaGGeD! Employer, Barrister, PR agent all would have told him to keep quiet and lay low until a decision is met. Yet we, with all the information and clarity on the situation, sit back and say "He ShoUlD HaVE SaID SomeThiNg bY Now! Off To ThE StaKes WitH HiM!" damned if you do, damned if you dont! It's the whole "we are owed some form of response" which we aren't and that if he doesn't publicly show everyone he is doing something to grow that he isn't.
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Post by kstandhand on Aug 16, 2023 18:46:52 GMT
If the leaks are to be believed ETH fully supports his return. Assuming that’s the case ,does it change anyone’s opinion of ETH???
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Post by Reduntildeath on Aug 16, 2023 18:53:11 GMT
From Adam Crafton-The Athletic:
Manchester United’s chief executive, Richard Arnold, told the club’s executive leadership in the first week of August that United were planning to bring back Mason Greenwood.
As part of that plan for Greenwood’s reintegration with the men’s first team, Arnold intended to record a video explaining the decision that would be shared both with staff and the general public.
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The proposed date for the announcement was Friday, August 4.
The plan laid out by Arnold that week was that Greenwood would not make any appearances with the club’s charitable arm, the Manchester United Foundation, in the short to medium term, even though the club would be bringing him back to the first-team set-up.
go-deeper GO DEEPER Explained: Mason Greenwood and Manchester United - the charges, investigation and planned return However, United did not proceed with the announcement and, 12 days on, they are still to communicate any decision publicly, meaning elements of the plan could still change.
Greenwood, 21, has not played for United since he was arrested in January 2022 after a recording and images were released on social media of an alleged sexual attack. Charges against Greenwood for attempted rape, controlling and coercive behaviour and assault occasioning actual bodily harm, which he denied, were dropped in February of this year. The UK’s Crown Prosecution Service said: “A combination of the withdrawal of key witnesses and new material meant there was no longer a realistic prospect of conviction.”
Greenwood leaves court in November (Cameron Smith/Getty Images) After the criminal case ended, United stated on February 2 that they will “conduct its own process before determining next steps”. No further information has been communicated to supporters six months on. The United process was led by chief executive Arnold, assisted by the club’s legal counsel Patrick Stewart, communications chief Ellie Norman, football director John Murtough and the chief operating officer, Collette Roche.
The Athletic has previously reported that United held meetings with Greenwood at the club’s Carrington training ground during the first month of the investigation. The club’s owners, the Glazer family, appear to have delegated key responsibility for the decision to Arnold, who is to be the public face of the decision and informed members of his leadership team about the chosen path after returning from the club’s tour of the United States in pre-season.
Sources close to the process spoke to The Athletic on the condition of anonymity because they are not authorised to speak publicly. The Athletic has not been told the precise reason United have delayed the announcement of their decision on Greenwood, but it has been reported widely that the club wished to inform key stakeholders of their decision ahead of going public. This would have included principal sponsors, the club’s fan advisory board, prominent former players and also members of the women’s team. However, several key United players, such as goalkeeper Mary Earps and captain Katie Zelem, remain on international duty at the World Cup in Australia and New Zealand.
One theory, therefore, is that United have simply delayed the formalities until their women’s players return. United have never intended to consult their female players about the decision, but they did wish to give the team prior notice and the opportunity for feedback. However, the players found themselves the unwitting victims of a social media storm last weekend when, on the eve of England’s World Cup quarter-final against Colombia, a story emerged in The Guardian that claimed the decision had been delayed to allow United to consult them. In response to posts from United’s official women’s account about the game, which England won 2-1, users have petitioned Zelem, Earps and Ella Toone to allow Greenwood’s return.
Greenwood Greenwood is wanted back by the football department (Gareth Copley/Getty Images) The messages were seen by players and The Athletic has also been told that some of the posts were more menacing and threatening, to the extent one agent has considered enlisting cybersecurity support for his client.
The Athletic has been repeatedly told that the club’s football operations department, including Murtough and head coach Erik ten Hag, are supportive of Greenwood’s reintegration.
During the club’s pre-season tour, Ten Hag was asked about Greenwood and said he had given his view on the matter internally. He did not state his view publicly. One argument the football department has advanced centres on his belief United have a duty of care to Greenwood, who has been on the books since the age of seven. However, others might argue that United may be motivated by the fact Greenwood has two years remaining on a £75,000-per-week contract and are loathe to give up on a player who scored 35 goals in 129 first-team appearances at United. The Athletic has been told there are multiple employees within the club who are deeply troubled by the decision and believe they did not feel the club has fostered an environment where major decisions by senior personnel can be freely challenged. This is something the club refute.
On Monday night, some United supporters protested against Greenwood’s possible return at Old Trafford and a banner made, in United’s colours, sported the message: “Female Fans Demand No Greenwood Return – End Violence Against Women”.
A Manchester United club statement, that was also sent to staff, said: “Following the dropping of all charges against Mason Greenwood in February 2023, Manchester United has conducted a thorough investigation into the allegations made against him. This has drawn on extensive evidence and context not in the public domain, and we have heard from numerous people with direct involvement or knowledge of the case.
“Throughout this process, the welfare and perspective of the alleged victim has been central to the club’s inquiries, and we respect her right to lifelong anonymity. We also have responsibilities to Mason as an employee, as a young person who has been with the club since the age of seven, and as a new father with a partner.
“The fact-finding phase of our investigation is now complete, and we are in the final stages of making a decision on Mason’s future. Contrary to media speculation, that decision has not yet been made and is currently the subject of intensive internal deliberation. Responsibility ultimately rests with the Chief Executive Officer. Once made, the decision will be communicated and explained to the club’s internal and external stakeholders.
“This has been a difficult case for everyone associated with Manchester United, and we understand the strong opinions it has provoked based on the partial evidence in the public domain. We ask for patience as we work through the final stages of this carefully considered process.”
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Post by bushy1987 on Aug 16, 2023 19:00:40 GMT
As soon as the police dropped their charges he was coming back, also with them dropping there charges and him now being deemed to be "innocent" he has zero reason to come out and say or do anything publicly because that will indicate some kind of guilt, this will will come out as the club has done it's own investigation and with the police finds no further reason the continue with the charges, we hope mason gets his privacy and can continue with his career ect ect ect.
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Post by joeyp on Aug 16, 2023 19:06:47 GMT
Some of you seem to have forgotten what he did.
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