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Post by dazjoe on May 13, 2019 6:36:54 GMT
Moving forward, attitude should be the number one consideration when recruiting this summer, and all future windows. We've brought in entitled, spoilt, moody, shitheads. From Miki, to Martial, to Pogba. Having the right attitude and willingness to chase lost causes, give your all, never let your head drop, putting the team first is more than half the battle. Identify these types of players and get them into this club. Yes they need talent as well, of course they do. But we've tried just getting the talented players in and look at the clip of us. I agree with all you’re saying but I’m curious, how does Miki get lumped in with this? Don’t think he had attitude or motivation issues. He tried his effort was always good but wasn’t a good fit under Jose. Maybe should have worded it better. He didn't have the same shitty attitude as others, but he was a bottler. It was well known before he even came here, he was never a player you could count on when the chips are down. That alone should have ruled him out as a potential signing. |
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Post by Pixel on May 13, 2019 6:42:58 GMT
If only the rest of us had your positive outlook... 8 defeats in 12 ? Yeah shame on me for not being positive. If he wasn’t an ex player this place would be on meltdown. Ole has still had the team playing the best football since before SAF left, the issues in this team were there way before Ole took the reigns. I'm not saying he is the next messiah, but we have tried established managers, one of the greatest, he was utter shit. There is poison running through the club, lm not expecting Ole to win us titles, great if he can, but maybe he is the right person to just turn things around, getting us on the up rather than spiraling down. If we don't try something different it's going to be rinse and repeat season after season. |
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Post by Kamilo on May 13, 2019 7:22:36 GMT
I agree with all you’re saying but I’m curious, how does Miki get lumped in with this? Don’t think he had attitude or motivation issues. He tried his effort was always good but wasn’t a good fit under Jose. Maybe should have worded it better. He didn't have the same shitty attitude as others, but he was a bottler. It was well known before he even came here, he was never a player you could count on when the chips are down. That alone should have ruled him out as a potential signing. I thought he was going to be a sure bet. He had some crazy stats at Dortmund with assists and goal involvement. Shame our acquisition of attackers from Dortmund has been such a dud. |
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Post by Karma on May 13, 2019 7:26:04 GMT
8 defeats in 12 ? Yeah shame on me for not being positive. If he wasn’t an ex player this place would be on meltdown. Ole has still had the team playing the best football since before SAF left, the issues in this team were there way before Ole took the reigns. I'm not saying he is the next messiah, but we have tried established managers, one of the greatest, he was utter shit. There is poison running through the club, lm not expecting Ole to win us titles, great if he can, but maybe he is the right person to just turn things around, getting us on the up rather than spiraling down. If we don't try something different it's going to be rinse and repeat season after season. You must be watching a different game. There were some improvements when he first arrived but the football is as bad as anything from the worst of the last 3. We are in a downward spiral and there’s no guarantee that this isn’t going to continue into next season. |
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Post by Kamilo on May 13, 2019 7:28:43 GMT
8 defeats in 12 ? Yeah shame on me for not being positive. If he wasn’t an ex player this place would be on meltdown. Ole has still had the team playing the best football since before SAF left, the issues in this team were there way before Ole took the reigns. I'm not saying he is the next messiah, but we have tried established managers, one of the greatest, he was utter shit. There is poison running through the club, lm not expecting Ole to win us titles, great if he can, but maybe he is the right person to just turn things around, getting us on the up rather than spiraling down. If we don't try something different it's going to be rinse and repeat season after season. Maybe the first three months, but you have to admit since late February our style of play has been a combination of Young’s disgraceful deliveries, Lukaku miss control and drifting wide, and complete underwhelming performances from Pogba and Rashford. There has been no real style of football if you will. For me, that’s partly on Ole. He could easily start with making Dalot the starter and taking the good going forward with the bad inexperience at the back instead of Young’s all around bad. |
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Post by Pixel on May 13, 2019 7:35:37 GMT
Ole has still had the team playing the best football since before SAF left, the issues in this team were there way before Ole took the reigns. I'm not saying he is the next messiah, but we have tried established managers, one of the greatest, he was utter shit. There is poison running through the club, lm not expecting Ole to win us titles, great if he can, but maybe he is the right person to just turn things around, getting us on the up rather than spiraling down. If we don't try something different it's going to be rinse and repeat season after season. Maybe the first three months, but you have to admit since late February our style of play has been a combination of Young’s disgraceful deliveries, Lukaku miss control and drifting wide, and complete underwhelming performances from Pogba and Rashford. There has been no real style of football if you will. For me, that’s partly on Ole. He could easily start with making Dalot the starter and taking the good going forward with the bad inexperience at the back instead of Young’s all around bad. Totally agree with you, but let's not kid ourselves that the performances would have been any better if Jose had stayed. At least we have seen a glimpse of what could be possible under Ole, something 3 others before him have failed to even achieve that. |
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Post by Kamilo on May 13, 2019 7:37:37 GMT
Maybe the first three months, but you have to admit since late February our style of play has been a combination of Young’s disgraceful deliveries, Lukaku miss control and drifting wide, and complete underwhelming performances from Pogba and Rashford. There has been no real style of football if you will. For me, that’s partly on Ole. He could easily start with making Dalot the starter and taking the good going forward with the bad inexperience at the back instead of Young’s all around bad. Totally agree with you, but let's not kid ourselves that the performances would have been any better if Jose had stayed. At least we have seen a glimpse of what could be possible under Ole, something 3 others before him have failed to even achieve that. It wouldn’t have. There was no exciting bits with Moyes or LVG (maybe just the early Martial days), Jose’s exciting bit was the counter attack phase we had when we beat Arsenal and were hated again for a few months there. That was it. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 8:00:02 GMT
Ole has still had the team playing the best football since before SAF left, the issues in this team were there way before Ole took the reigns. I'm not saying he is the next messiah, but we have tried established managers, one of the greatest, he was utter shit. There is poison running through the club, lm not expecting Ole to win us titles, great if he can, but maybe he is the right person to just turn things around, getting us on the up rather than spiraling down. If we don't try something different it's going to be rinse and repeat season after season. You must be watching a different game. There were some improvements when he first arrived but the football is as bad as anything from the worst of the last 3. We are in a downward spiral and there’s no guarantee that this isn’t going to continue into next season. If football was about guarantees there would be little point watching it in the first place. |
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Post by On a break on May 13, 2019 8:33:17 GMT
Roy Keane once said
Fail to prepare, prepare to fail.
Bad future planning way back to when Fergie retired has left us in this mire, not getting the right man after him and having a prick of a CEO are the reasons for the current state of the club, the hole we are in gets bigger with each season as we try and dig our way out.
Guardiola couldn’t get us out of this one, can you imagine him putting up with Young playing and worse as captain? Everyone is laughing at us.
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Post by . on May 13, 2019 9:47:01 GMT
Just on Roy Keane, to those on here who are saying 'I don't have a problem with the players having other interests outside of football'.
Google when Keane was on the Sky Sports panel at Anfield for the Liverpool v United game, just out of interest, to see what a real captain said about that.
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Post by Stew on May 13, 2019 10:05:52 GMT
Just on Roy Keane, to those on here who are saying 'I don't have a problem with the players having other interests outside of football'. Google when Keane was on the Sky Sports panel at Anfield for the Liverpool v United game, just out of interest, to see what a real captain said about that. Who said that? |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on May 13, 2019 10:48:21 GMT
Interests outside football are fine if you handle them right. Cristiano Ronaldo does loads of social media and sponsorship work, but he’s got his priorities in order and knows football comes first. No one could ever doubt his dedication.
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Post by Bestie on May 13, 2019 11:35:48 GMT
Moving forward, attitude should be the number one consideration when recruiting this summer, and all future windows. We've brought in entitled, spoilt, moody, shitheads. From Miki, to Martial, to Pogba. Having the right attitude and willingness to chase lost causes, give your all, never let your head drop, putting the team first is more than half the battle. Identify these types of players and get them into this club. Yes they need talent as well, of course they do. But we've tried just getting the talented players in and look at the clip of us. I agree with all you’re saying but I’m curious, how does Miki get lumped in with this? Don’t think he had attitude or motivation issues. He tried his effort was always good but wasn’t a good fit under Jose. He never had the balls for this club. |
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Post by . on May 13, 2019 11:51:50 GMT
Just on Roy Keane, to those on here who are saying 'I don't have a problem with the players having other interests outside of football'. Google when Keane was on the Sky Sports panel at Anfield for the Liverpool v United game, just out of interest, to see what a real captain said about that. Who said that? Johnboy14. |
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Post by _ on May 13, 2019 12:06:33 GMT
Jose was a complete prick the way he behaved from the start of the season in his special year 3 bow, but the biggest wankers are the ones above. Woodward is the real poison and Pogba, Sanchez and Lingard and Jones on a new 5 year contract are the symptoms. You can point the finger at the Glazers, but we have spent, but Woodwards management has been total chaos. They have to realise he is the problem
Classic player lift when a new manager almost one of the boys comes in, then this total and utter capitulation! Ole and Micky Phelan are not a world class coaching and management team. The board just had to wait till the end of the season and ignore the noise.
We could have had Guardiola, Klopp or Poch if we had a serious CEO with some charisma and owners who gave a fuck! The others are running rings around us and you can bet Spurs will stump up for players this year or risk the whole thing falling apart. We will be competing with Everton, Leicester and Wolves next year
They sacked Mourinho 6 months ago and rightly so, but I really thought it was going to be about giving themselves time to put in a 21st century structure with a vision and going for Pochettino and someone from outside to guide recruitment and contracts etc.
This lot are just reacting and making it up as they go along ( Woodward and whoever else advises him)
BTW Back to the future is the worst decision. It was just the comfortable easy decision and there is no critical thinking involved from anyone at board level when it comes to football and it will eventually hit the bottom line.
Club legend lovely guy, so hope it works out obviously, but he looks like an ok coach with an old play book and looks way out of his depth here! We won't change until Woodward is fucked out of the football club.
I guess you have to think they are lining up for a sale and keeping their safe pair of hands on the ledger, because keeping Woodward in charge of the football club after what he has done, makes no sense if you have any longer term commitment.
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