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Post by Bestie on Oct 15, 2020 23:08:19 GMT
I see this all the time. 'Not a bad player - just needs the right partner.' Bad positional play is not the lack of a decent partner. Being beaten one-on-one time and again is not a lack of a decent partner. Being weak in the challenge is not a lack of decent partner. Zero leadership skills is not lack of a decent partner. Being a total tugboat, that can be helped with the right partner but it isn't caused by not having one. What is actually being talked about by this 'he needs a partner' line is that he needs an actually good defender beside him to bail him.out and make him look better. Maguire is a bad player. He is a bad defender and he is a bad footballer. Forget the fee. He isn't worth 80 million quid, he isn't worth 8 million quid. He didn't play well last year. He was directly or indirectly at fault in one third of our goals conceded in the League. Go watch them. I never rated John Terry anywhere close to how highly the media did. Terry was slow on the turn particularly with diagonal balls over his head and was too much of a 'hero' defender. Too eager to make sure everyone saw him 'win' the exchange than just defend. He was ten times the player Maguire is. And yet we had one of the best defences (statistically) in the league last year. Counts for very little when the goals we did concede lost us games and semi-finals. |
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Post by alwaysUnited on Oct 16, 2020 12:12:09 GMT
I didn’t want him however I think he’s a better player than we’re making him look. Guardiola and Mourinho both wanted him. I think both of them would get a tune out of him. Solskaer certainly isn’t. Add him to the list of players who have regressed since coming here. He did look much better in Leicester city |
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Post by johnboy14 on Oct 16, 2020 12:50:24 GMT
I didn’t want him however I think he’s a better player than we’re making him look. Guardiola and Mourinho both wanted him. I think both of them would get a tune out of him. Solskaer certainly isn’t. Add him to the list of players who have regressed since coming here. He did look much better in Leicester city Any defender would struggle in this team, that's for sure. There's nothing to indicate Guadiola would ever want a player like Maguire for any other reason than providing cover. He got rid of Hart because he couldn't pass the ball out from the back, Christ he would rather play Fernandino at the back than Maguire. He's definetely a Mourinho player but under Mourinho he would be playing for the reserves at this rate. I know it's a cliche but defending is a team game and since the restart our midfield has been worse than hopeless at stemming opposition attacks. Midfield has been every bit as responsible for the amount of goals we have been conceding. You could drive the Notting Hill Carnival through it against Spurs. The team has no shape or plan most weeks and it's very obvious Ole is just winging it and hoping for the best. It's going to come to a head in the next few weeks when the players down tools. It's already happening. |
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Post by alwaysUnited on Oct 16, 2020 13:17:54 GMT
He did look much better in Leicester city Any defender would struggle in this team, that's for sure. There's nothing to indicate Guadiola would ever want a player like Maguire for any other reason than providing cover. He got rid of Hart because he couldn't pass the ball out from the back, Christ he would rather play Fernandino at the back than Maguire. He's definetely a Mourinho player but under Mourinho he would be playing for the reserves at this rate. I know it's a cliche but defending is a team game and since the restart our midfield has been worse than hopeless at stemming opposition attacks. Midfield has been every bit as responsible for the amount of goals we have been conceding. You could drive the Notting Hill Carnival through it against Spurs. The team has no shape or plan most weeks and it's very obvious Ole is just winging it and hoping for the best. It's going to come to a head in the next few weeks when the players down tools. It's already happening. Agree with the role of midfield ,I made the same point in another thread - pogba and matic provides zero protection. Its upto Ole to show some balls and drop pogba and try some new tactics like a 3 with DVB , fred and bruno or scott , fred bruno. |
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Post by GeniusCantona on Oct 16, 2020 13:56:47 GMT
Any defender would struggle in this team, that's for sure. There's nothing to indicate Guadiola would ever want a player like Maguire for any other reason than providing cover. He got rid of Hart because he couldn't pass the ball out from the back, Christ he would rather play Fernandino at the back than Maguire. He's definetely a Mourinho player but under Mourinho he would be playing for the reserves at this rate. I know it's a cliche but defending is a team game and since the restart our midfield has been worse than hopeless at stemming opposition attacks. Midfield has been every bit as responsible for the amount of goals we have been conceding. You could drive the Notting Hill Carnival through it against Spurs. The team has no shape or plan most weeks and it's very obvious Ole is just winging it and hoping for the best. It's going to come to a head in the next few weeks when the players down tools. It's already happening. Agree with the role of midfield ,I made the same point in another thread - pogba and matic provides zero protection. Its upto Ole to show some balls and drop pogba and try some new tactics like a 3 with DVB , fred and bruno or scott , fred bruno. On Fred, I’m not sure what he’s done to be demoted to the bench. He’s not a pure defensive midfielder but his work rate alone can help our back 4. He can be similar to Kante in that regard. Matic is brilliant on the ball but doesn’t have the legs to track back and handle a team with pace when we’re playing a high line. Matic needs to be paired with someone with a work rate like Fred. With Pogba it’s a disaster. |
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Post by johnboy14 on Oct 16, 2020 18:17:05 GMT
Agree with the role of midfield ,I made the same point in another thread - pogba and matic provides zero protection. Its upto Ole to show some balls and drop pogba and try some new tactics like a 3 with DVB , fred and bruno or scott , fred bruno. On Fred, I’m not sure what he’s done to be demoted to the bench. He’s not a pure defensive midfielder but his work rate alone can help our back 4. He can be similar to Kante in that regard. Matic is brilliant on the ball but doesn’t have the legs to track back and handle a team with pace when we’re playing a high line. Matic needs to be paired with someone with a work rate like Fred. With Pogba it’s a disaster. The problem is balance imo. I would play Scotty, VDB and Bruno in a midfield three. Theres enough energy and guile in those three. Im not sure if VDB is like for like with Bruno or if he can really play centrally but anything is better than Pogba at the present time. |
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Post by Kojak on Oct 16, 2020 19:50:12 GMT
On Fred, I’m not sure what he’s done to be demoted to the bench. He’s not a pure defensive midfielder but his work rate alone can help our back 4. He can be similar to Kante in that regard. Matic is brilliant on the ball but doesn’t have the legs to track back and handle a team with pace when we’re playing a high line. Matic needs to be paired with someone with a work rate like Fred. With Pogba it’s a disaster. The problem is balance imo. I would play Scotty, VDB and Bruno in a midfield three. Theres enough energy and guile in those three. Im not sure if VDB is like for like with Bruno or if he can really play centrally but anything is better than Pogba at the present time. I wouldn’t mind seeing Matic alongside VDB who is more of a genuine box to box player, as opposed to whatever Pogba is. None of our other defensive minded midfielders read the game like Matic unfortunately. |
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Post by dazjoe on Feb 12, 2021 3:54:06 GMT
I love Paul Parker.
If people remember, Parker called out Rooney a few years back when it was clear he had completely declined but his mates in the media kept defending him.
Now, he's moved onto Maguire.
"Regarding the centre-backs, people talk about bringing in a new partner for Harry Maguire, but I would look at bringing in two centre-backs, why can't it be a player who comes in and plays alongside Victor Lindelof?
'Harry Maguire is not a leader, he plays the game for himself, he sits way too deep, he dribbles for the sake of dribbling and runs himself into cul-de-sacs.
'The goal against Sheffield United, he put David De Gea in a terrible position, and he made a terrible clearance which people then blamed the goalkeeper.
Sometimes you need to look at the build-up to see the mistakes.
'I have always been unsure about Maguire since the day Manchester United signed him. When they paid £80m, the club didn't buy an £80m centre back, it was great business by Leicester."
Damn right Paul!
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Post by Bestie on Feb 12, 2021 8:48:05 GMT
I love Paul Parker. If people remember, Parker called out Rooney a few years back when it was clear he had completely declined but his mates in the media kept defending him. Now, he's moved onto Maguire. "Regarding the centre-backs, people talk about bringing in a new partner for Harry Maguire, but I would look at bringing in two centre-backs, why can't it be a player who comes in and plays alongside Victor Lindelof? 'Harry Maguire is not a leader, he plays the game for himself, he sits way too deep, he dribbles for the sake of dribbling and runs himself into cul-de-sacs. 'The goal against Sheffield United, he put David De Gea in a terrible position, and he made a terrible clearance which people then blamed the goalkeeper. Sometimes you need to look at the build-up to see the mistakes. 'I have always been unsure about Maguire since the day Manchester United signed him. When they paid £80m, the club didn't buy an £80m centre back, it was great business by Leicester." Damn right Paul! What is the web link to this visionary truth-speak please? |
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Post by dazjoe on Feb 12, 2021 9:08:28 GMT
I love Paul Parker. If people remember, Parker called out Rooney a few years back when it was clear he had completely declined but his mates in the media kept defending him. Now, he's moved onto Maguire. "Regarding the centre-backs, people talk about bringing in a new partner for Harry Maguire, but I would look at bringing in two centre-backs, why can't it be a player who comes in and plays alongside Victor Lindelof? 'Harry Maguire is not a leader, he plays the game for himself, he sits way too deep, he dribbles for the sake of dribbling and runs himself into cul-de-sacs. 'The goal against Sheffield United, he put David De Gea in a terrible position, and he made a terrible clearance which people then blamed the goalkeeper. Sometimes you need to look at the build-up to see the mistakes. 'I have always been unsure about Maguire since the day Manchester United signed him. When they paid £80m, the club didn't buy an £80m centre back, it was great business by Leicester." Damn right Paul! What is the web link to this visionary truth-speak please? That would be www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/14023497/man-utd-maguire-not-leader-solskjaer-replacement-parker/ |
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Post by Karma on Feb 12, 2021 11:21:48 GMT
I love Paul Parker. If people remember, Parker called out Rooney a few years back when it was clear he had completely declined but his mates in the media kept defending him. Now, he's moved onto Maguire. "Regarding the centre-backs, people talk about bringing in a new partner for Harry Maguire, but I would look at bringing in two centre-backs, why can't it be a player who comes in and plays alongside Victor Lindelof? 'Harry Maguire is not a leader, he plays the game for himself, he sits way too deep, he dribbles for the sake of dribbling and runs himself into cul-de-sacs. 'The goal against Sheffield United, he put David De Gea in a terrible position, and he made a terrible clearance which people then blamed the goalkeeper. Sometimes you need to look at the build-up to see the mistakes. 'I have always been unsure about Maguire since the day Manchester United signed him. When they paid £80m, the club didn't buy an £80m centre back, it was great business by Leicester." Damn right Paul! He also questioned what Solskjaer said about being in a title race. Unlike some of our other ex players he’s not afraid to find other convenient scapegoats or dodge legitimate questions. We need more of this. |
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Post by SAF_Legend on Feb 12, 2021 17:23:51 GMT
Does anyone have a comparison stat for Vidic-Rio pairing vs Maguire-Lindelof pairing?
Would be interesting to see how much more / less we have conceded.
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Post by Stew on Feb 12, 2021 17:27:55 GMT
Does anyone have a comparison stat for Vidic-Rio pairing vs Maguire-Lindelof pairing? Would be interesting to see how much more / less we have conceded. Seems a bit like comparing Tarantino and Guy Ritchie. |
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Post by JamBritRed on Feb 12, 2021 19:26:08 GMT
Does anyone have a comparison stat for Vidic-Rio pairing vs Maguire-Lindelof pairing? Would be interesting to see how much more / less we have conceded. Seems a bit like comparing Tarantino and Guy Ritchie. the meaning here is lost on me. maybe it's different within the British Isles, but Guy Ritchie is a boss in my eyes. the two of the are geniuses imho. |
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Post by Bestie on Feb 12, 2021 20:23:35 GMT
Does anyone have a comparison stat for Vidic-Rio pairing vs Maguire-Lindelof pairing? Would be interesting to see how much more / less we have conceded. Seems a bit like comparing Tarantino and Guy Ritchie. But both of those are brilliant?  |
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