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Euro 2020
Jun 6, 2021 20:14:17 GMT
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Post by redcase on Jun 6, 2021 20:14:17 GMT
Yes, football fans all over the UK are well known for their hatred of Marxism. Every time you go to a ground you’ll hear them chanting their disapproval of Engels and his ilk. This chap is definitely protesting at the links between BLM and the author of “Das Kapital”. We all know why the vast majority of them were booing tonight. Lets not pretend otherwise. Ah this fine gent looks a pioneer of anti-Marxism indeed... |
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Post by johnboy14 on Jun 7, 2021 16:31:05 GMT
Would you boo if you were in the ground? Not sure. Totally disagree with the whole performance but is booing the best way to show that disagreement? It might be the only way, it is certainly the most straightforward and direct. I think its time they hit the whole idea on the head, taking the knee is as useful to eradicating racism as a sugar tax is to combating obesity. How much longer are they going to do it? 2 years, 5 years or forever? At some point it loses its potency. Are the authorities going to wait until a top player refuses to bend the knee or are they gonna spare him. Race has been at the forefront of public discourse for well over a year now, does it have to proliferate all 24hrs of a day. |
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Euro 2020
Jun 7, 2021 16:43:34 GMT
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Post by Bestie on Jun 7, 2021 16:43:34 GMT
Not sure. Totally disagree with the whole performance but is booing the best way to show that disagreement? It might be the only way, it is certainly the most straightforward and direct. I think its time they hit the whole idea on the head, taking the knee is as useful to eradicating racism as a sugar tax is to combating obesity. How much longer are they going to do it? 2 years, 5 years or forever? At some point it loses its potency. Are the authorities going to wait until a top player refuses to bend the knee or are they gonna spare him. Race has been at the forefront of public discourse for well over a year now, does it have to proliferate all 24hrs of a day. Do they keep doing it until there is no racism by anyone, ever, anywhere? |
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Post by viking22 on Jun 7, 2021 20:02:04 GMT
I think the players mean well and for them it is simply an anti-racism in football message which I think we can all get behind.
But unfortunately the symbolic gesture is closely associated with BLM which is a social and political movement not without controversy and therefore I think for some fans it feels a bit like a social/political protest that reminds them of all the protests and riots last summer and instead of changing the world they just want to enjoy the football and get behind the national team.
And really symbolic gestures are not going to stop racism in football. What is needed is for clubs to cooperate with the police to root out the racists and ban them from the grounds and from social media. And I also have been impressed by players speaking out about the racial abuse they receive and how it affects them. I think that is a lot more powerful than collective gestures.
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Post by Stretty on Jun 7, 2021 20:44:34 GMT
Anyway, for what it’s worth, I think taking the knee has run its course. It’s been too long to sustain its effect. In my opinion. Funnily enough, I actually kind of agree. It's not making an impact anymore. But if the players on the pitch want to do it that's their choice. Booing them is moronic. Do most players still want to do it or feel like they are obligated to carry on(especially white players)? zaha fucked it off a while back The point has been made and it’s time to move on. |
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Post by alwaysUnited on Jun 8, 2021 6:00:16 GMT
Funnily enough, I actually kind of agree. It's not making an impact anymore. But if the players on the pitch want to do it that's their choice. Booing them is moronic. (especially white players)? zaha fucked it off a while back The point has been made and it’s time to move on. I think most of them are shit scared and honestly i dont blame them, anything , even interpreted in the wrong way by the woke mob means they are going to pay with their career and reputation. Just look at what happened to Ollie Robinson. |
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Post by Stew on Jun 8, 2021 6:20:13 GMT
Do most players still want to do it or feel like they are obligated to carry on(especially white players)? zaha fucked it off a while back The point has been made and it’s time to move on. I think most of them are shit scared and honestly i dont blame them, anything , even interpreted in the wrong way by the woke mob means they are going to pay with their career and reputation. Just look at what happened to Ollie Robinson. Oh dear. |
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Post by redcase on Jun 8, 2021 6:23:48 GMT
I think most of them are shit scared and honestly i dont blame them, anything , even interpreted in the wrong way by the woke mob means they are going to pay with their career and reputation. Just look at what happened to Ollie Robinson. Oh dear. Like fucking clockwork  |
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Post by redcase on Jun 8, 2021 6:38:02 GMT
Do most players still want to do it or feel like they are obligated to carry on(especially white players)? zaha fucked it off a while back The point has been made and it’s time to move on. I think most of them are shit scared and honestly i dont blame them, anything , even interpreted in the wrong way by the woke mob means they are going to pay with their career and reputation. Just look at what happened to Ollie Robinson. I guess Kyle Walker was pissing himself in fear when he spoke about kneeling and talking to his son about it |
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Post by alwaysUnited on Jun 8, 2021 6:47:32 GMT
I think most of them are shit scared and honestly i dont blame them, anything , even interpreted in the wrong way by the woke mob means they are going to pay with their career and reputation. Just look at what happened to Ollie Robinson. I guess Kyle Walker was pissing himself in fear when he spoke about kneeling and talking to his son about it Of course there will be many players who thinks its right thing to do and they are free to talk about it , but i am sure if you ask privately there are going to be enough of them who thinks otherwise. Only the second group cant come out and say it openly without suffering the consequences. edit: what i said there was reply to stretty's question in the post --> Do most players still want to do it or feel like they are obligated to carry on(especially white players)? |
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Post by Stew on Jun 8, 2021 7:44:44 GMT
I guess Kyle Walker was pissing himself in fear when he spoke about kneeling and talking to his son about it Of course there will be many players who thinks its right thing to do and they are free to talk about it , but i am sure if you ask privately there are going to be enough of them who thinks otherwise. Only the second group cant come out and say it openly without suffering the consequences. edit: what i said there was reply to stretty's question in the post --> Do most players still want to do it or feel like they are obligated to carry on(especially white players)? You said ‘most of them’ are still doing it because they were ‘shit scared.’ I know you were a big fan of Trump (which really speaks volumes) but for some of us, language still matters. |
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Post by redcase on Jun 8, 2021 8:11:11 GMT
I guess Kyle Walker was pissing himself in fear when he spoke about kneeling and talking to his son about it Of course there will be many players who thinks its right thing to do and they are free to talk about it , but i am sure if you ask privately there are going to be enough of them who thinks otherwise. Only the second group cant come out and say it openly without suffering the consequences. edit: what i said there was reply to stretty's question in the post --> Do most players still want to do it or feel like they are obligated to carry on(especially white players)? Fantastic, you seem to have an inside track to the England dressing room. Maybe after your chat with the white players, you can pop a question to the lad Jadon and ask him if he's packed his bags to Manchester for next season? Ta |
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Post by alwaysUnited on Jun 8, 2021 8:21:31 GMT
Of course there will be many players who thinks its right thing to do and they are free to talk about it , but i am sure if you ask privately there are going to be enough of them who thinks otherwise. Only the second group cant come out and say it openly without suffering the consequences. edit: what i said there was reply to stretty's question in the post --> Do most players still want to do it or feel like they are obligated to carry on(especially white players)? Fantastic, you seem to have an inside track to the England dressing room. Maybe after your chat with the white players, you can pop a question to the lad Jadon and ask him if he's packed his bags to Manchester for next season? Ta Obviously none of us have proof what people actually thinks. And we will never know because of the inevitable shitstorm that will happen if a player (especially white player) comes out and say he is not gonna take the knee from now on. The point is , is there a free space to openly discuss these issues - both for and against ? Anyway not the thread or space for it , so i guess i will stop here. |
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Post by redcase on Jun 8, 2021 8:40:51 GMT
Fantastic, you seem to have an inside track to the England dressing room. Maybe after your chat with the white players, you can pop a question to the lad Jadon and ask him if he's packed his bags to Manchester for next season? Ta Obviously none of us have proof what people actually thinks. And we will never know because of the inevitable shitstorm that will happen if a player (especially white player) comes out and say he is not gonna take the knee from now on. The point is , is there a free space to openly discuss these issues - both for and against ? Anyway not the thread or space for it , so i guess i will stop here. White players in the NBA have decided not to kneel, I have not seen any shitstorms. Black footballers have decided not to kneel, haven't seen shitstorms. Since you say the shitstorm is inevitable - point out an instance where there has been one. Edit - if none of us have proof and none of us know what they're thinking, why are you "sure" they're "shit scared"? |
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Post by Tatty on Jun 8, 2021 8:59:05 GMT
Taking the knee 'jumped the shark' when it was taken after a minutes silence for noted racist, Prince Phillip.
The fact remains it hasn't changed anything. If players feel making the gesture keeps the conversation at the forefront of social discourse, then all power to them, but it needs to be followed up by actual action. What those actions are, I have no clue, other than players refusing to fulfil their commercial obligations.
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