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Post by mightyez on Jun 17, 2021 15:43:32 GMT
no offence, but would you pay 45 million for trippier? would you pay 80 million for Varane? The answer is probably no. I doubt for those two players and the circumstances surrounding them any club would pay that, why should we be the ones to be silly enough to part with those fees? It's irritating but I am certain we are gonna get good business done this summer and Sancho will be part of that. Other than CDM we are being linked with players in the positions we need to cover, the owners are worried and they will want to take the heat off their backs, that means sign players and I can say that means Ole is gonna be under pressure whether he gets what he wants or doesn't this summer I wouldn't, usually. Except I am sick to death of the excuses being made for the manager over our shite transfers. If Ole says these are the players we need to improve (actually improve, not "progress" improve) and win the League then we pay whatever it takes. completely do not agree with that, he is a poor manager and should not be allowed to dictate what fees we pay. Yes provide a list as any manager normally would but then if real said 80 million for a player with 12 months on the contract we should in no way pay that because it's what ole wants. Reality is Ole will be sacked at some stage, give him all those players and he still won't do the needful. Sancho you know is a decade of pure quality so the price is a sweet deal and regardless of manager you go and make that purchase. Trippier is 31 in September, that's like 2 more seasons at best doing his job effectively at the highest level, why should we pay 45 million just because a manager that won't be here in 2 years wants him? Varane we wouldn't even pay £80 million for a year ago or the year before we won't pay it now with 12 months left. Ole was brought in for a reason and for me he has done his job, now we need a proper manager or coach to take us to the next level. Be honest do you actually believe with those players Ole will win the league? I don't even think he believes he can with them. Still don't know what he is doing with Pogba who let's be honest as Ole wants him to stay will be crucial to us winning the league
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Post by Bestie on Jun 17, 2021 16:27:13 GMT
I wouldn't, usually. Except I am sick to death of the excuses being made for the manager over our shite transfers. If Ole says these are the players we need to improve (actually improve, not "progress" improve) and win the League then we pay whatever it takes. completely do not agree with that, he is a poor manager and should not be allowed to dictate what fees we pay. Yes provide a list as any manager normally would but then if real said 80 million for a player with 12 months on the contract we should in no way pay that because it's what ole wants. Reality is Ole will be sacked at some stage, give him all those players and he still won't do the needful. Sancho you know is a decade of pure quality so the price is a sweet deal and regardless of manager you go and make that purchase. Trippier is 31 in September, that's like 2 more seasons at best doing his job effectively at the highest level, why should we pay 45 million just because a manager that won't be here in 2 years wants him? Varane we wouldn't even pay £80 million for a year ago or the year before we won't pay it now with 12 months left. Ole was brought in for a reason and for me he has done his job, now we need a proper manager or coach to take us to the next level. Be honest do you actually believe with those players Ole will win the league? I don't even think he believes he can with them. Still don't know what he is doing with Pogba who let's be honest as Ole wants him to stay will be crucial to us winning the league I don't disagree with you. However as I said I am done with the easy excuses being made for his consistent failure. So if we aren't sacking him, which I cannot stress enough that I believe we should, we have to spend whatever it takes to get his first choices. If they don't work, that's the manager's problem. If we finally (inevitably) replace the manager again and he wants different players, then we use our much bandied-about wealth to just pay for new players. You know, I know, everybody knows what the truth of it is, but while the club let on that was aren't financially nobbled by that Yank cunt rat-faeces fuck of a family, I'm now fully on board with expecting whatever spending is required to get Ole's first and only targets. Except fucking Declan Rice.
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Post by Stretty on Jun 17, 2021 16:27:40 GMT
I wouldn't, usually. Except I am sick to death of the excuses being made for the manager over our shite transfers. If Ole says these are the players we need to improve (actually improve, not "progress" improve) and win the League then we pay whatever it takes. completely do not agree with that, he is a poor manager and should not be allowed to dictate what fees we pay. Yes provide a list as any manager normally would but then if real said 80 million for a player with 12 months on the contract we should in no way pay that because it's what ole wants. Reality is Ole will be sacked at some stage, give him all those players and he still won't do the needful. Sancho you know is a decade of pure quality so the price is a sweet deal and regardless of manager you go and make that purchase. Trippier is 31 in September, that's like 2 more seasons at best doing his job effectively at the highest level, why should we pay 45 million just because a manager that won't be here in 2 years wants him? Varane we wouldn't even pay £80 million for a year ago or the year before we won't pay it now with 12 months left. Ole was brought in for a reason and for me he has done his job, now we need a proper manager or coach to take us to the next level. Be honest do you actually believe with those players Ole will win the league? I don't even think he believes he can with them. Still don't know what he is doing with Pogba who let's be honest as Ole wants him to stay will be crucial to us winning the league so it could possibly be(in millions) slab head 90 awb. 50 telles. 15 varane. 80 trippier. 45 thats 280 million pounds that ole could be spending on our defence and with Sancho,James and donny ole could have spent near 500 million come the start of the season(I know it’s highly unlikely) Add players like cavani,rashford and greenwood to the mix i would be expecting to win the title or the champions league bare minimum but he will probably pitch us as plucky little underdogs when we are out the title race by Christmas. As said get a top coach and coaching staff in first
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Post by johnboy14 on Jun 17, 2021 17:17:26 GMT
I wouldn't, usually. Except I am sick to death of the excuses being made for the manager over our shite transfers. If Ole says these are the players we need to improve (actually improve, not "progress" improve) and win the League then we pay whatever it takes. completely do not agree with that, he is a poor manager and should not be allowed to dictate what fees we pay. Yes provide a list as any manager normally would but then if real said 80 million for a player with 12 months on the contract we should in no way pay that because it's what ole wants. Reality is Ole will be sacked at some stage, give him all those players and he still won't do the needful. Sancho you know is a decade of pure quality so the price is a sweet deal and regardless of manager you go and make that purchase. Trippier is 31 in September, that's like 2 more seasons at best doing his job effectively at the highest level, why should we pay 45 million just because a manager that won't be here in 2 years wants him? Varane we wouldn't even pay £80 million for a year ago or the year before we won't pay it now with 12 months left. Ole was brought in for a reason and for me he has done his job, now we need a proper manager or coach to take us to the next level. Be honest do you actually believe with those players Ole will win the league? I don't even think he believes he can with them. Still don't know what he is doing with Pogba who let's be honest as Ole wants him to stay will be crucial to us winning the league The guys WC and would instantly improve us, i can tell you that both City or Chelsea would pay 80m to get him with 12 months if they needed him. Hes worth the risk. Hes 28 and atleast 4 or 5 good years in him.
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Post by mightyez on Jun 17, 2021 17:42:05 GMT
completely do not agree with that, he is a poor manager and should not be allowed to dictate what fees we pay. Yes provide a list as any manager normally would but then if real said 80 million for a player with 12 months on the contract we should in no way pay that because it's what ole wants. Reality is Ole will be sacked at some stage, give him all those players and he still won't do the needful. Sancho you know is a decade of pure quality so the price is a sweet deal and regardless of manager you go and make that purchase. Trippier is 31 in September, that's like 2 more seasons at best doing his job effectively at the highest level, why should we pay 45 million just because a manager that won't be here in 2 years wants him? Varane we wouldn't even pay £80 million for a year ago or the year before we won't pay it now with 12 months left. Ole was brought in for a reason and for me he has done his job, now we need a proper manager or coach to take us to the next level. Be honest do you actually believe with those players Ole will win the league? I don't even think he believes he can with them. Still don't know what he is doing with Pogba who let's be honest as Ole wants him to stay will be crucial to us winning the league The guys WC and would instantly improve us, i can tell you that both City or Chelsea would pay 80m to get him with 12 months if they needed him. Hes worth the risk. Hes 28 and atleast 4 or 5 good years in him. City and Chelsea I doubt would pay it but if they did they have proper managers and the player would like perfect there, something he would not be for us. Just look at pogba, supporting cast is darn important, we don’t have that in defense bar shaw they need their hands held.
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Post by johnboy14 on Jun 17, 2021 18:18:45 GMT
The guys WC and would instantly improve us, i can tell you that both City or Chelsea would pay 80m to get him with 12 months if they needed him. Hes worth the risk. Hes 28 and atleast 4 or 5 good years in him. City and Chelsea I doubt would pay it but if they did they have proper managers and the player would like perfect there, something he would not be for us. Just look at pogba, supporting cast is darn important, we don’t have that in defense bar shaw they need their hands held. Pogba isnt a top class midfielder whereas Varane is certainly one of the worlds best in his position. We dont live in a perfect world, the only way to get a decent supporting cast is to sign better players. Procastinating isnt going to get us anywhere.
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Post by thesheepdog on Jun 17, 2021 19:08:34 GMT
One thing watching the Euros has made me realise is some of the players we let go and shouldn't of. Plus be interested what the weight difference is of lukaku now and when he was with us. I suspect it was his belly offside most of the time not what was being sung about.
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Post by mightyez on Jun 17, 2021 19:17:59 GMT
City and Chelsea I doubt would pay it but if they did they have proper managers and the player would like perfect there, something he would not be for us. Just look at pogba, supporting cast is darn important, we don’t have that in defense bar shaw they need their hands held. Pogba isnt a top class midfielder whereas Varane is certainly one of the worlds best in his position. We dont live in a perfect world, the only way to get a decent supporting cast is to sign better players. Procastinating isnt going to get us anywhere. Pogba isn’t a top class midfielder? Come on be serious. Varane is just not my cup of tea, i have serious reservations about him being the person to come in and help that defence and at 80 million I certainly would not bite.
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Post by viking22 on Jun 17, 2021 19:40:16 GMT
Problem with Ramos is like Cavani he probably wouldn't be able to play every game and we don't exactly have quality backup and in a year or two we'd need to buy an expensive replacement. Wouldn't mind if the £50m saved on a CB was put towards a quality CDM. But we all know the Glazers would just pocket the cash saved and then we'll have problems a year or two down the line when we have to fund a CB and a CF.
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Post by Stretty on Jun 17, 2021 19:45:13 GMT
Pogba isnt a top class midfielder whereas Varane is certainly one of the worlds best in his position. We dont live in a perfect world, the only way to get a decent supporting cast is to sign better players. Procastinating isnt going to get us anywhere. Pogba isn’t a top class midfielder? Come on be serious. Varane is just not my cup of tea, i have serious reservations about him being the person to come in and help that defence and at 80 million I certainly would not bite. No he isn’t he needs world beaters around him like he has in the french team where a top class midfielder will take a team by the scruff of the neck and drag it up a level. he’s a good midfielder but top class definitely not.
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Post by Chris on Jun 17, 2021 20:37:50 GMT
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Post by bushy1987 on Jun 17, 2021 20:40:53 GMT
Bet he can't wait for those 5 minute cameos again,living the dream
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Post by Stretty on Jun 17, 2021 20:41:55 GMT
no rush donny because you won’t be playing until the 88th minute of the first game anyway
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Post by dazjoe on Jun 17, 2021 21:54:49 GMT
This will sound like an old man rant, because it is, but the transfer market and clubs attitudes really pisses me off.
Everyone involved in the game knows the market is fucked. Valuations are utterly ridiculous, the money going around is obscene and needs to return to previous levels, it really does. 200M for Neymar? 140M for Coutinho? 120M for Griezmann? 85M for Maguire? Shambolic prices.
But when it comes to making a change, no one is willing to do it. Real "You want a player in his last 12 months of his contract? 80M!" Atletico "You want our 30 year old full back? 40M!"
Are they literally taking the fucking piss? Does anyone, anywhere, think Atletico would consider that a reasonable price to pay if they were trying to sign Trippier from Spurs this summer? He only cost them 20M in the first place, but now he's in his 30's and every club is haemorrhaging money during a worldwide pandemic, yet his valuation has doubled? Does anyone think Real would consider 80M a fair price for Pogba this summer? Would they fuck. So why is their player who's contract is about to expire worth that but no one else's is?
And United are as bad as anyone by the way, we look to lowball every club, but just last year the talk was that we still wanted in excess of 100M for Pogba.
How about clubs stop being such utter horrible greedy cunts and actually set realistic prices for players this summer? Varane should be about 40M, Trippier 15M, and so on. The likes of Sancho I get, they are class, and young. But others? Who you can get for nothing next year? Or who are in their 30's? Just be bloody real you twats.
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Post by viking22 on Jun 17, 2021 23:04:06 GMT
Shame if the Donny rumours are BS. I quite liked the one about a loan move to Barcelona. He'd be playing under a Dutch coach who'd understand and appreciate him a lot more than Ole does and the Spanish League is a higher level than the Dutch league so would be very good for his development.
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